Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Video Game News › John Carmack reckons PhysX is useless
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

John Carmack reckons PhysX is useless - Page 6

post #51 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by SZayat View Post
I'm pretty sure of this info. Quake 3 used Quake III engine
You just blew my mind....
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Asus Maximus III Formula ASUS 5870 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2000 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
X25-M 80GB, 1TB WD Black Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Asus VW246H Saitek Eclipse 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Antec 300 G5 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Asus Maximus III Formula ASUS 5870 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2000 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
X25-M 80GB, 1TB WD Black Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Asus VW246H Saitek Eclipse 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Antec 300 G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #52 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PiratesRule View Post
You just blew my mind....
I'm Impressed
Under-Utilized
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570K Z77-D3H XFX RX480 RS Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
HyperX 3K 120GB 3TB Storage Hyper 212 Plus Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
24" CFG70  SideWinder X6 550 Watt Logitech G602 
Mouse PadAudio
Razer eXactMat X Objective2 +ODAC 
  hide details  
Reply
Under-Utilized
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570K Z77-D3H XFX RX480 RS Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
HyperX 3K 120GB 3TB Storage Hyper 212 Plus Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
24" CFG70  SideWinder X6 550 Watt Logitech G602 
Mouse PadAudio
Razer eXactMat X Objective2 +ODAC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #53 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by SZayat View Post
He's working on a new game called Severity (using Quake 3 engine)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknownm View Post
quake 4 used it also
Quote:
Originally Posted by PiratesRule View Post
Wait.....what? Quake 4 used the Doom 3 engine, not Quake 3....
Quote:
Originally Posted by SZayat View Post
I'm pretty sure of this info. Quake 3 used Quake III engine
Quote:
Originally Posted by SZayat View Post
I'm Impressed
He was saying Quake 4 used the Quake 3 engine....
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Asus Maximus III Formula ASUS 5870 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2000 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
X25-M 80GB, 1TB WD Black Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Asus VW246H Saitek Eclipse 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Antec 300 G5 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Asus Maximus III Formula ASUS 5870 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 2000 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
X25-M 80GB, 1TB WD Black Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Asus VW246H Saitek Eclipse 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Antec 300 G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #54 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by priapus View Post
True but if games ever start using Raytracing technology it is my understanding that the CPU will do all the work, but I also understand this to be a long way off.
Actually, GPUs are better at ray-tracing. Using a GPU to ray-trace is reasonably fast. GPUs are already massively parallel, and each ray can be done at the same time, so more cores would scale performance almost perfectly, until you run out of rays to trace or run out of memory bandwidth.

Why don't they use raytracing?...because it's still too slow.

Right now we're getting to the point where objects are smooth - people's heads are round, and objects are very detailed. In a few generations, 640x480 real-time raytracing of games might be possible by our videocards.
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 @ 4.6ghz 1.425v Sabertooth 990FX Zotac GTX 1070 Amp! 32GB (4x8GB) Kingston Fury 1866mhz CL10 1T 1.5v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Hitachi 2TB - HDS723020BLA64 Crucial M500 960GB - CT960M500SSD1 WD 4TB Black - WD4001FAEX WD 4TB Black - WD4001FAEX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Seagate 2TB - ST2000DM001 WD 640GB Black - WD6401AALS Seagate 6TB - ST6000DM001 Micron M500 - MTFDDAK480MAV 
Optical DriveOptical DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
Pioneer DVR-115DBK Samsung SH-S243D/BEBE LG GH22NS90 Lite-On EBAU108 External DVD 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Noctua NH-D15 Fractal Design 140mm Fan - FD-FAN-140 Fractal Design 120mm Fan - FD-FAN-120 Windows 7 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Samsung 2343BWX 23" (2048x1152) BenQ GW2765HT 27" IPS LCD Monitor (2560x1440) Genius Keyboard KB-G235 PA 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic Platinum 1000w PSU - SS-1000XP Fractal Design Define R5 Steelseries Rival 6500 dcpi Mousepad + Desk 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Onboard Realtek® ALC 892 Cyber Acoustics CA-2992 2.0 Speakers Razer Krait 1600 DPI nGear G-C1601 Card Reader 
OtherOther
Pisen Card Reader Gigabyte M7 Thor 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
VIA Eden C7 1200mhz Jetway J7F4K1G2ES-LF VIA Onboard 512MB PC2-4200 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
A-Data FlashDrive None Fanless Linux 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Headless None 65w Power Brick Antec ISK300-65 
MouseAudio
None Onboard VIA 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Barton XP-M 2400+ FJQ4C Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe 256MB BFG 7800GS OC 2x512MB Samsung PC3200 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Raptor 74GB/Seagate 120GB Windows 2000 Pro 60hz 17" CRT Brandless PS2 Keyboard 
PowerMouse
Antec Neo HE 550w Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 @ 4.6ghz 1.425v Sabertooth 990FX Zotac GTX 1070 Amp! 32GB (4x8GB) Kingston Fury 1866mhz CL10 1T 1.5v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Hitachi 2TB - HDS723020BLA64 Crucial M500 960GB - CT960M500SSD1 WD 4TB Black - WD4001FAEX WD 4TB Black - WD4001FAEX 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Seagate 2TB - ST2000DM001 WD 640GB Black - WD6401AALS Seagate 6TB - ST6000DM001 Micron M500 - MTFDDAK480MAV 
Optical DriveOptical DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
Pioneer DVR-115DBK Samsung SH-S243D/BEBE LG GH22NS90 Lite-On EBAU108 External DVD 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Noctua NH-D15 Fractal Design 140mm Fan - FD-FAN-140 Fractal Design 120mm Fan - FD-FAN-120 Windows 7 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Samsung 2343BWX 23" (2048x1152) BenQ GW2765HT 27" IPS LCD Monitor (2560x1440) Genius Keyboard KB-G235 PA 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic Platinum 1000w PSU - SS-1000XP Fractal Design Define R5 Steelseries Rival 6500 dcpi Mousepad + Desk 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Onboard Realtek® ALC 892 Cyber Acoustics CA-2992 2.0 Speakers Razer Krait 1600 DPI nGear G-C1601 Card Reader 
OtherOther
Pisen Card Reader Gigabyte M7 Thor 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
VIA Eden C7 1200mhz Jetway J7F4K1G2ES-LF VIA Onboard 512MB PC2-4200 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
A-Data FlashDrive None Fanless Linux 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Headless None 65w Power Brick Antec ISK300-65 
MouseAudio
None Onboard VIA 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Barton XP-M 2400+ FJQ4C Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe 256MB BFG 7800GS OC 2x512MB Samsung PC3200 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Raptor 74GB/Seagate 120GB Windows 2000 Pro 60hz 17" CRT Brandless PS2 Keyboard 
PowerMouse
Antec Neo HE 550w Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #55 of 80
What you guys talking about, video cards raytracing? I don't think so. You're all thinking in the past, when things weren't in real time! Raytracing went out with IrisGL, when it became OpenGL, and dedicated GPUs were becoming more mainstream. What you might think of as raytracing in a game is actually (most likely) a combination of rasterization and phong lighting, which (put simply) is executed by the GPU.

Let me make this perfectly clear: raytracing on a computer today is done by the CPU and system memory, period. You all may as well drop the idea of ray tracing on a PPU.

You want ray tracing in your video games? Keep your eyes on Saarland University, and the acronym RPU. OR Keep your eyes on the PS3. Take my word for it.
Creeping Death
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 940 BE 3.7GHz Asus M3A78-T Visiontek HD4870 512MB 2x2GB OCZ Reaper DDR2-1066 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD VelociRaptor 300GB Sony DVD Burner Windows 7 Ultimate x64 2x Dell 2408WFP 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech Wave USB Antec Neopower 500W Modded Rocketfish Logitech G9 
Mouse Pad
(none) 
  hide details  
Reply
Creeping Death
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 940 BE 3.7GHz Asus M3A78-T Visiontek HD4870 512MB 2x2GB OCZ Reaper DDR2-1066 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD VelociRaptor 300GB Sony DVD Burner Windows 7 Ultimate x64 2x Dell 2408WFP 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech Wave USB Antec Neopower 500W Modded Rocketfish Logitech G9 
Mouse Pad
(none) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #56 of 80
Quake 4 used the Doom 3 engine.

So did Prey and 30 other games.

The industry always uses ID games engines.

a zillion games including Half Life 1 used the Quake engine, then a zillion games like Sin used the Quake 2 engines, then another generation of games like Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and Call of Duty 1 used the Quake 3 engine.
Asus Laptop
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
C2D P8700 @ 2533 Asus G72GX (Intel P45) GTX 260M 6gb DDR2-800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
500gb SATA DVD-RW 7 Premium x64 Laptop Display 1600 x 900 
  hide details  
Reply
Asus Laptop
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
C2D P8700 @ 2533 Asus G72GX (Intel P45) GTX 260M 6gb DDR2-800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
500gb SATA DVD-RW 7 Premium x64 Laptop Display 1600 x 900 
  hide details  
Reply
post #57 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by CuriouslyHigh View Post
Quake 4 used the Doom 3 engine.

So did Prey and 30 other games.

The industry always uses ID games engines.

a zillion games including Half Life 1 used the Quake engine, then a zillion games like Sin used the Quake 2 engines, then another generation of games like Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and Call of Duty 1 used the Quake 3 engine.
Actually surprisingly the only games that use the Doom 3 Engine are Doom 3, Doom 3 Resurrection of Evil, Quake 4, Prey, and Enemy Territory Quake Wars. And interesting fact, not only did Half Life 1 use a modified Quake Engine, but there are still bits of early Quake source code in the Source Engine.

And Guruboy raytracing ain't out with IrisGL, check out OpenRT. But I think you are right about the CPU and RAM, in fact, I know you are!!!
http://graphics.cs.uni-sb.de/RTGames/
HAL9000
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 4800+ X2 "Toledo" MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum MSI GeForce 7900GS 512MB Overclock Edition 2GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
2xSeagate Barracuda 250GB 7200RPM 3.0Gb/s SabayonLinux x86 3.4 Optiquest Viewsonic Q20wb Antec Earthwatts 500W 
CaseMouse
Thermaltake Tsunami Dream Razer Diamondback 
  hide details  
Reply
HAL9000
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 4800+ X2 "Toledo" MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum MSI GeForce 7900GS 512MB Overclock Edition 2GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
2xSeagate Barracuda 250GB 7200RPM 3.0Gb/s SabayonLinux x86 3.4 Optiquest Viewsonic Q20wb Antec Earthwatts 500W 
CaseMouse
Thermaltake Tsunami Dream Razer Diamondback 
  hide details  
Reply
post #58 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nechen View Post
Gameplay...

If you have *Advanced Physics* rendering wherein the crate that just got blown up in front of you is splintering into a thousand pieces and theres mud and dirt flying in your face and you cant see a single thing...

...Then you're dead, because the guy who blew up that crate doesn't have advanced physics hence he doesn't see the special affects that are rendering you useless.
ZOMG Hax!

Quote:
Originally Posted by CuriouslyHigh View Post
Quake 4 used the Doom 3 engine.

So did Prey and 30 other games.

The industry always uses ID games engines.

a zillion games including Half Life 1 used the Quake engine, then a zillion games like Sin used the Quake 2 engines, then another generation of games like Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and Call of Duty 1 used the Quake 3 engine.
Mosty correct.

Except Half-Life 1 used the Goldsource engine.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Q6600 G0 @ 3.6GHz (lapped) EVGA 780i SLI FTW @ 1600MHz FSB 2 x EVGA 8800GTX 768MB (SLI) @ 625/1500/2000MHz 2x2GB G.Skill PC2-8000 PQ @ 800MHz (linked to FSB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x160GB WD RAID 0, 750GB Samsung Spinpoint F1 LITE-ON 20X SATA DVD/CD RW Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Viewsonic VA2702w 27" LCD 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech Value 100 (beer magnet) Corsair TX 750W Cooler Master ATCS 840 Logitech SBF-90 (cheapest one on Newegg) 
Mouse Pad
Some kinda rubber thing (beer magnet) 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Q6600 G0 @ 3.6GHz (lapped) EVGA 780i SLI FTW @ 1600MHz FSB 2 x EVGA 8800GTX 768MB (SLI) @ 625/1500/2000MHz 2x2GB G.Skill PC2-8000 PQ @ 800MHz (linked to FSB) 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x160GB WD RAID 0, 750GB Samsung Spinpoint F1 LITE-ON 20X SATA DVD/CD RW Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Viewsonic VA2702w 27" LCD 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech Value 100 (beer magnet) Corsair TX 750W Cooler Master ATCS 840 Logitech SBF-90 (cheapest one on Newegg) 
Mouse Pad
Some kinda rubber thing (beer magnet) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #59 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by Choggs396 View Post
ZOMG Hax!
Mosty correct.

Except Half-Life 1 used the Goldsource engine.
The GoldSource Engine is modified a Quake Engine! More specifically QuakeWorld.
Source Link
HAL9000
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 4800+ X2 "Toledo" MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum MSI GeForce 7900GS 512MB Overclock Edition 2GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
2xSeagate Barracuda 250GB 7200RPM 3.0Gb/s SabayonLinux x86 3.4 Optiquest Viewsonic Q20wb Antec Earthwatts 500W 
CaseMouse
Thermaltake Tsunami Dream Razer Diamondback 
  hide details  
Reply
HAL9000
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 4800+ X2 "Toledo" MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum MSI GeForce 7900GS 512MB Overclock Edition 2GB OCZ Platinum DDR400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
2xSeagate Barracuda 250GB 7200RPM 3.0Gb/s SabayonLinux x86 3.4 Optiquest Viewsonic Q20wb Antec Earthwatts 500W 
CaseMouse
Thermaltake Tsunami Dream Razer Diamondback 
  hide details  
Reply
post #60 of 80
Physx is perfect for the guy who has to much money and really likes GRAW.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon XP 1900+ Gigabyte something ax7c SIS315E 1GB mixed DDR 
Hard DrivePowerCase
40GB Western Digital ...dunno? Thermaltake Armor 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon XP 1900+ Gigabyte something ax7c SIS315E 1GB mixed DDR 
Hard DrivePowerCase
40GB Western Digital ...dunno? Thermaltake Armor 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Video Game News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Video Game News › John Carmack reckons PhysX is useless