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Would 1x120mm Rad for just CPU be better than air?

Does zalman make crappy blocks? (they're like $35)

Any case (like the Antec 900) you can rig a rad/dual rad in the front where the big fans are?

I am building end of august and contimplating water. Pretty sure it will be CPU only because blocks for 8800s are expensive. A Thermalright 180 ultra and fan is going to run about $70, I'm thinking a basic WC is around $120-$150 and if it really is better I might just jump in and get wet.
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1.Would 1x120mm Rad for just CPU be better than air?

2.Does zalman make crappy blocks? (they're like $35)

3.Any case (like the Antec 900) you can rig a rad/dual rad in the front where the big fans are?

I am building end of august and contimplating water. Pretty sure it will be CPU only because blocks for 8800s are expensive. A Thermalright 180 ultra and fan is going to run about $70, I'm thinking a basic WC is around $120-$150 and if it really is better I might just jump in and get wet.
Glad to hear it

Let's break up your post with the numbers i inserted

1) 1X120 should be good enough for just a CPU. Obviously, if you get a larger dual radiator (2X120), you will have more room to expand to a GPU later, plus it will give you better cooling now.
2) Honestly, it'll be better to spend an extra $10-15 on a fully copper waterblock. From what I've read, the Zaldmans are half Aluminum and half Copper. Mixing metals in a loop usually doesn't do good things.
3) I'm sure there's a way to mount the radiator in Antec 900's. CD could probably point you in the right dirrection. If you aren't set on the Antec's and would rather use a TT Armor, check out my sig for how to mount a 1X120 or 2X120 radiator in it.

hope that helps,
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Yes, thanks. Exactly what I needed to know. I am not 100% set on the Antec 900, I have a TT Tsunami right now that I already have sitting in my closet waiting for a built but decided that it might be small, and less airflow than I would like. So when I build I might just go ahead and get another case. The 1x120mm would maybe fit on the top of my Tsunami but I didn’t want to go that route if a 120mm isn’t better than air.
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post #4 of 18
1x120 isnt much. maybe the thermochill PA.1 would do, but you might as well get the 160.1 if it fits. going from a 120 to 240 rad really imrpoves cooling. but you could take 2 120's and mount one on the intake of the case, and the other on exhaust..
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If you're gonna go water, gotta do it right.

Don't skimp on the block, and I've heard the Zalmans are crap.

1x120MM on just a CPU would be -fine-. Honestly, might as well just put a really nice air cooler on there IMO. Cheaper, easier. However, a 2x120MM.. now we're talking. Like I said, if you're gonna spend the money on WC - do it right.

I'm pretty sure the Antec 900 could accommodate an internally mounted 1x120MM rad where the upper chamber's removable HDD rack is normally. I actually ditched my Antec 900 once I chose to go WC, because it's heavier than crap on it's own.. let alone with a loop, rad, etc in it. Might want to do some heavy research on the case aspect before you spend the money.
    
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Ya I know on my Tsunami I dont have room for 2x120mm, maybe the 140mm but I didnt know that was a common size, I was almost hoping to get a car rad for budget reasons. (cheaper the wc the better chance of 8800GTX ) I would do 2 intake 1 exhaust but then I have no room for air cooling and the 8800 will need some.

//ADD @ Heru
Ya I wasnt planning on getting the zalman block, just noticed it was cheap and looks cool. Will probably get an apogee or something.

But you think 1x120mm isnt any better than air? I dont want to spend $50 more and get nothing. I could go 2x120mm but thats going to require a different case. The biggest thing is I am very adament about it being all in the case, no external WC.
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It all depends on how much you move it. I have an armor 4 hdd's 2 opticals, the normal PSU, MOBO, and the WC setup...It's heavy as heck, I just don't move it that much. That's what my laptop is for.
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It all depends on how much you move it. I have an armor 4 hdd's 2 opticals, the normal PSU, MOBO, and the WC setup...It's heavy as heck, I just don't move it that much. That's what my laptop is for.
Ya I got a laptop and I only go to 1 or 2 LANS a year (if that) so Im not so worried about weight. It will onlyh ave 1 HD, 1 Optical, all the basic stuff. Actually below is what the specs will more than likely be.

e6750
MSI or Asus P35 Mobo
Corsair 620watt PSU (Modular)
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8800GTS/GTX

Like I said, already got the Tsunami case but I dont think theres enough room for WC setup inside.
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Ya I know on my Tsunami I dont have room for 2x120mm, maybe the 140mm but I didnt know that was a common size, I was almost hoping to get a car rad for budget reasons. (cheaper the wc the better chance of 8800GTX ) I would do 2 intake 1 exhaust but then I have no room for air cooling and the 8800 will need some.

//ADD @ Heru
Ya I wasnt planning on getting the zalman block, just noticed it was cheap and looks cool. Will probably get an apogee or something.

But you think 1x120mm isnt any better than air? I dont want to spend $50 more and get nothing. I could go 2x120mm but thats going to require a different case. The biggest thing is I am very adament about it being all in the case, no external WC.
I don't know, dude.. it's really hard to say.

If you do the 1x120MM you could probably push it to it's limits by splurging on nice fans, two of them for a push-pull config. Then, you might be in business.

For further cooling performance, maybe do some lapping?

That plus a few other small details could make it worth while. The little things like lapping, adding fan shrouds to the rad, good general case airflow, etc - they do count.

EDIT: Regarding that case, it'd be cramped and you'd have to sacrifice the HDD cage for the rad + fans.. however, where you would put the pump is questionable..
    
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Ya lapping Im a little scared, might think about it...

Case flow is what Im worried about on the tsunami, (1) 120mm exhaust (1) 120mm intake. Thinking about taking out the headphone/aux jacks in the top for a fan or the 120mm rad+fans.

I could do push/pull but does that really help? Seems like the fans would almost fight each other if they are not lined up correctly (blades spinning timing)
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