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Also i would get a new psu for your rig..a low 350watt would do but a quality psu..is your current one a budget psu?
Yeah, I know. It's next on my list because I also want to buy a second harddisk and maybe another gig of RAM. I'll need more wattage to support all that plus the X2 CPU.

Thing is, I'm a bit low on cash right now and all that stuff will have to wait until Xmas. I just bought the CPU because 939's are getting very hard to find these days and I thought it wouldn't be wise to wait any longer.

Peace.
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Why am I an idiot?
    
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Why am I an idiot?
You're not (I guess ). Some dude posted a viagra spam message right after your post and the idiot comment was aimed at him. The spam post was then deleted, though.
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LOL, well then the other guy may want to delete it so I don't look bad
    
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Well, I just got the X2 4400+ and installed it. The computer booted up fine, BIOS detected the new CPU just fine, and Windows (XP Pro SP2) started. Then Windows said something like "Your new hardware has finished installing and the computer needs to reboot", so I thought Windows had just installed some multi-core driver and clicked OK.

The computer rebooted and Windows started. The log in screen appeared and I just clicked OK (no password in this PC), and bang! Windows rebooted the computer. I let it reboot and the same thing happened over and over. After the log-in screen, Windows reboots itself.

I can boot Windows in safe mode without any problems, so I thought it had to be some stupid driver or background program. Anything else I should be aware of?
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Well, after nightmareish hours of disabling stuff in the device manager and msconfig, rebooting, and re-crashing, I decided to send it all to hell and did a clean OS reinstall. It worked fine. Then I reinstalled one driver at a time, creating a system restore point before each. I found the faulty driver to be my MIDI interface serial driver (yes, serial as in RS-232). I was using the serial port because the device's USB driver never worked with this system.

I installed everything else to see if something else could cause problems but everything went fine. Then I decided to try once more the MIDI interface USB driver. I installed it and everything went smooth. Rebooted, turned on the interface, and it worked. Rebooted again. No problems. Perfect. God does work in mysterious ways.

Haven't tried OC'ing yet, but performance on single-core apps is practically the same as before, even though my previous setup was running at 2.4 Ghz, while this one is at 2.2 Ghz. I think it's because of two reasons: first, the larger L2 cache (2x1 Mb vs 512 Kb), and second, even for single-core apps, the other core helps a little with the background Windows tasks.

However, when I turned on multicore support in one of my apps, performance went up by 60%-75%. I checked the task manager and the load was equally distributed between both cores. Beautiful. Too bad not all my apps have that advantage.

After OC'ing I'm expecting a 100% performance boost compared to the old CPU.
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Like days of old, ie; win95. I still load drivers individually and reboot... old fashioned but thats just me
    
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Well, after nightmareish hours of disabling stuff in the device manager and msconfig, rebooting, and re-crashing, I decided to send it all to hell and did a clean OS reinstall. It worked fine. Then I reinstalled one driver at a time, creating a system restore point before each. I found the faulty driver to be my MIDI interface serial driver (yes, serial as in RS-232). I was using the serial port because the device's USB driver never worked with this system.

I installed everything else to see if something else could cause problems but everything went fine. Then I decided to try once more the MIDI interface USB driver. I installed it and everything went smooth. Rebooted, turned on the interface, and it worked. Rebooted again. No problems. Perfect. God does work in mysterious ways.

Haven't tried OC'ing yet, but performance on single-core apps is practically the same as before, even though my previous setup was running at 2.4 Ghz, while this one is at 2.2 Ghz. I think it's because of two reasons: first, the larger L2 cache (2x1 Mb vs 512 Kb), and second, even for single-core apps, the other core helps a little with the background Windows tasks.

However, when I turned on multicore support in one of my apps, performance went up by 60%-75%. I checked the task manager and the load was equally distributed between both cores. Beautiful. Too bad not all my apps have that advantage.

After OC'ing I'm expecting a 100% performance boost compared to the old CPU.
First off, good luck with the OC'ing--hopefully you get as high as you'd like. But the steppings of the X2's cause great variations between overclockability--for example, I have a 4400 x2, ccbwe stepping--this is the worst overclocking stepping, and typically doesn't do much past 2.54GHz stable (doesn't matter much to me 'cause I don't have a good OC'ing board right now, plus, I have no reason to OC at the moment). So even if you had the worst stepping, you'd already be close to what you were hoping to get--2.6GHz. Though I seriously doubt you'd get 100% better performance over your previous CPU--that's very unlikely even for a dual core CPU. But good luck!
    
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post #19 of 49
the highest i got my x2 4400 was 2700mhz-> 2.7ghz, which isnt a huge increase but enough for me. i have seen some people here on OCN hittin 2.8 and 2.9ghz so it isnt out of the question.

for my overclocking i usually leave the multiplier on 11 and set the bus speed to around 240, which leaves it at around 2.64ghz. up the vcore to 1.43v or 1.45v. set the hypertransport to 5. you can leave the ram timings at auto or set them at default speeds. this should get you to 2.6 though. good luck
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Thanks for the comments.

My 4400+ did 2.3 Ghz with no problems. No need to lower the RAM divider or the HT multiplier. Of course, that's only a 100 Mhz gain. I tried 2.4 but Windows crashed, even if I lowered the RAM divider and HT mult, so I may need to bump up the vcore a bit. The default is 1.35 v, you guys say 1.45 is still safe? I'll try that tomorrow.
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