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Hey Tiramisu, when you are done post your settings and results on this thread: Hey SLACR, GO higher!

And also, what was your ambient for the 3.72? Cause those were very nice temps if you still had that high ambient you were testing under earlier... and 1.45V is ok for Quads right, so your voltage for that clock seems to be very "conservative" and not a bad way to have your puter set up for day to day use!



well this is only one of a few, and the only extensively covered and reported experience with G0 but... for all of those skeptics about how much better G0 was gonna be: TOLD YOU SO! hahaha j/k I mean, man! 3.6 sounds like an sure thing OC to expect from your G0 then... it is gonna be a matter of how much higher you can get depending on your week!! hahahah insane... I will be going from ~ 6.3GHz to ~14GHz! (or to at least 11.5GHz if I don't mod my mobo and can only hit 320FSB)

Hi USlatin:

I cannot recall what exactly was the temp at the 3.72ghz you're referring becouse I just had some many successful prime loading stable screen shots from 3.7~3.8ghz in range. What I'm sure off is most of my success 3700mhz and up++ OC were done earlier in the morning today. The ambient was 19c ~20c and if you can overlook at my previous screen shots in the previous few pages, you can noticed that my system temp reported from Asus AI Suite is 23 to 24c. My room temp is always ~4c lower than the reported system temp.

By later in the afternoon the ambient quickly rise up anywhere from 26c ~ 29c today depends on what time during the day. My room was preety stuffed up and rather hot in the afternoon, hence the effect of ambient temp in OC-ability on "air".

Please have a look at my following post regarding the relation of ambient temp and its role with core temps.




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ok... just makes no sense not to oc especially with the right mobo... at least just find out what it will do with stock Vcore... that should have very little or no impact on temps, right?
Exactly, I don't find the clock speed to vary the load temp as much as the given Vcore.

For example, I've tested the system at high 1.5v just to see the high output of heat from the CPU. Now at 1.5v I can set any clock alway up to 3800mhz.

So I found out that there was only 2~4c of difference per each core at the same given Vcore running at 3.7ghz+ and at 3.0ghz. That's 700mhz of difference and temp only varies from 2 ~ 4c depends on the ambient temp.


Vcore has more to do with the final core temp than just clock speed alone
    
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I'm finally back.

Alright, to answer a few questions first, my VID is 1.2625v so this generally means the chip has better overclock-ability @ lower given volts for the same clock as the same chip running at same clock speed. For example, someone need 1.45v to get 3.6~3.7 stable but I only need about 1.38v load to get 3.6+ stable.

VID doesn't determine your overclock-ability in terms of your chips' max FSB or clock speed but it has to do with the voltage that's needed to acheive those speed. At stock speed 2.4ghz, we each start off with different voltage being different VID from chip to chip. I started of at 1.23v (1.26v VID) at 2.4ghz and some may start off at 1.28v (1.30v VID) at the same 2.4ghz for our Q6600 G0s.


An update on the new high OC progress:

You guys all know I'm testing my xtreme quad OC on AIR right so ambient def plays a very significant role here. I was having terrific luck running 3780mhz at only 1.45v load with ambient temp being 19c~20c in the early morning.

Now the ambient has rise up to 26~28c all afternoon and it's considerable warm at the current time - 7:30pm PST so I need to back down on the clock : volts a little bit. So far I know for sure of is that this chip is capable of getting prime stable at 3700mhz ++ that's for sure. 3.8ghz may even be possible if we're on a different season

But you gotta love summer time and the sun shine and we're all hiding inside OC-ing like bunch of geeks...lol no offense, saying that including myself
So I'd say Max stable OC for this season will be in the low-mid 3700mhz and given that, it's still an outstanding OC on air. Expect 3.8ghz+ on air towards the end of the year



This screen shot is just to show the effect of increased ambient temp and its relation to the core temps.
50min+ Small fft full load on all 4 cores. (This isn't the max stable OC if you haven't seen my previous screen shots)





Anyhow, I'll update the next screen shot shortly.
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Great stuff and thanks for the 'splanations

one question about VID... is that the mobo's "opinion" of what the chip needs for stock speed? or is it a hard-wired voltage needed for stock speed set into the chip at the Intel plant?

either way chips with lower VIDs are essentially better OC'ers then... right? meaning they are more efficient and therefor will require less juice, stay colder so on and so forth... right?
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Great stuff and thanks for the 'splanations

one question about VID... is that the mobo's "opinion" of what the chip needs for stock speed? or is it a hard-wired voltage needed for stock speed set into the chip at the Intel plant?

either way chips with lower VIDs are essentially better OC'ers then... right? meaning they are more efficient and therefor will require less juice, stay colder so on and so forth... right?

My smart boy, yes you've got it totally.
Nothing to do with your mobo. If you've got a few C2D or C2Q, you'd know what I mean if you can test them out and read their VID on the same mobo.

I remember back then I was having my first C2D and it's possibly the worst lucky draw ever by all means - E6600 and VID 1.35000 (newer batch..yeah) and need at least 1.55v+++ to get 3.2GHZ and stuck. horrible

another another E6700 VID a little better at 1.2750 and does 3.6ghz and then stuck.

Now the current E6700 - Semi Golden chip that has 1.2500vid does as what you see in my first post first page. 3.73ghz at 1.41v load! awsome.

and Now the Q6600 G0 just blew it out of the water...i don't need to touch dual cores any more in my life. The future is here now...lol literally.
High clock per core and x4. I can put an end to one of those E6850 vs Q6600 threads right now...

Nah they're champions in their field no doubt.
    
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Ok, I got it... let me see... my E6300's VID is 1.325V I thought that was the E6300 voltage all accross the line... so you can get say an E6300 with a lower VID than 1.325 if you get lucky... right? It seems so from your post just want to be completely clear about this, have to learn...

I couldn't get past 3.2GHz, it wouldn't post... is that what happens when you reach the top end of your chip... it just won't post?

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and Now the Q6600 G0 just blew it out of the water...i don't need to touch dual cores any more in my life. The future is here now...lol literally.
High clock per core and x4. I can put an end to one of those E6850 vs Q6600 threads right now...

Nah they're champions in their field no doubt.
I had a small text argument with a buddy back in Miami today, he was saying that Cores are better so I told him for games yes, but now with Q66 G0's it might be different, I mean I was getting the Quad regardless for mrendering purposes but with 3.6GHz you are as high as most kick arse Duos like the E6600 which like you said they just rock... but now I might have the best of BOTH worlds... uber fast renders ans playback AND I'll be able to have some good 'ol fraggapw3nathons!
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what are your temps at stock clock? my temps stay exactly the same lol, 433x7=266x9 temps wise, both idle and load are exactly the same
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Ok, I got it... let me see... my E6300's VID is 1.325V I thought that was the E6300 voltage all accross the line... so you can get say an E6300 with a lower VID than 1.325 if you get lucky... right? It seems so from your post just want to be completely clear about this, have to learn...

I couldn't get past 3.2GHz, it wouldn't post... is that what happens when you reach the top end of your chip... it just won't post?



I had a small text argument with a buddy back in Miami today, he was saying that Cores are better so I told him for games yes, but now with Q66 G0's it might be different, I mean I was getting the Quad regardless for mrendering purposes but with 3.6GHz you are as high as most kick arse Duos like the E6600 which like you said they just rock... but now I might have the best of BOTH worlds... uber fast renders ans playback AND I'll be able to have some good 'ol fraggapw3nathons!

1. Yeah, VID is also one thing that we can take into account to determine the chip's overclocking-ability in the later stages. Lower VID almost always means that the overclocking room will be more. Bcos you started off with a lower Vcore at stock clock, your chip may ended up requiring much less volts to acheive the desire clock than any other chip that has a higher VID than yours. And lower volts to obtain your desired clock speed may also mean lower in temp.

However, keep this in mind though, although I'm stating this all based on fact but it still doesn't guarantee the OC outcome of every case, just so you know


2. Once you've started breaking the 3.6ghz clock threshold on quads, you're essencially having the benefit of both worlds, literally. Good point
What we all know is that a C2D will be more beneficial for most applications we normally use today such as gaming, etc. That's becouse those applications aren't written to benefit the usage of multi-core that's generally at a much "lower clock speed per core" but 4x the efficiency. If the software can't utilize all 4 cores then a highly OC'ed C2D at 3.6ghz can easily beat a 3.2ghz Quad out of the water becouse its other x2 cores are basically not used up to their full potential by today's standard.

So we're still determined by the "clock speed per core" standard to estimate's a CPU's performance in real-world application.

With the release of the new G0 stepping Q6600 and its incredible OC-ability on air, the statement about dual cores vs quad cores will eventually change. MUCH sooner than I expected!

I'm running a 3.7ghz+ OC'ed quad core that has the speed of a highly clocked C2D but 4 times the core. I know I've repeated this sentence again and again but it's so true and I'm truely amazed by it. I mean not even most C2D can do 3.7ghz on air with such a low given Vcore but a RETAIL G0 Q6600 just proved it

So in end, it will be much like the G0's world competetion. A highly OC'ed E6850 at 3.9ghz vs a highly OC'ed Q6600 at 3.7ghz, as you can see the clock per core gap just got smaller. Which one are you going to go after?? Q6600 without a doubt.




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what are your temps at stock clock? my temps stay exactly the same lol, 433x7=266x9 temps wise, both idle and load are exactly the same
First post, first page.

The temp variation gap will start to get bigger as you voltage / clock speed gets higher

I was really really really happy that my Q6600 G0 only idles at 23~25c on air, stock volts and stock speed. People has being always saying that I'm living in Igloo or some place...lol but having a very heathy and low idle/load temp in stock state means a very good start.

See now I can prime stable at 3.7ghz + and temp is still right under Intel thermal spec's 71c. If my idle/load temp at stock is what you people think is "normal" from the norm. There's no way I could even touch 3.7ghz+ on air then at this current stage.
    
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So in end, it will be much like the G0's world competetion. A highly OC'ed E6850 at 3.9ghz vs a highly OC'ed Q6600 at 3.7ghz, as you can see the clock per core gap just got smaller. Which one are you going to go after?? Q6600 without a doubt.
if indeed E6850's give "only" 3.9GHz on air or actually break the coveted 4.0GHz then those with higher clocks won't even know if they really did right by getting the best gaming chip instead of getting more power... well that is far from the truth really... I am failing at taking into account how often people who have the best gaming chip like to upgrade, lol, something I've already learned in my recent introduction to OC'ing But I will be so freakin' stoked to be able to run Crysis at (hopefully) a decent frame rate with decent eye candy AND be able to play back 1080p full screen pixel by pixel even though I am on Microcrap's 32-bit ancient world (not bashing, I know, compatibility, blah blah blah...) heck I might even be able to throw some color correction in there and still get full 24fps! WOOT!!! lol...

Ok, I have a but... not reeeealy a but but more of a what if.... I recently read that the best samples are usually released first... this doesn't seem completely right though. First of all not all chips would be made before shipping the first ones so there would be no way of knowing if they were the top samples altogether. I do believe without doubting for a second that if Intel had a few batches prior to release, which they had to have just out of preparation to be able to keep up demand for such a big performance-cost jump, then... I certainly believe that they would release the better batch or some of the better batch chips all the way in the very beginning of the release so the first impression on forums would be a good one.... I hope we all understand the value of first impressions here... Anywho, you are among the very first to receive one of these beasts... so you might have a little of a higher chance (if all this were the case) of having a good sample, not a golden one, but one of the better ones at least...

I am not thinking however, that the difference would be such that we would find out 3.6GHz is not, as we may have thought from your experience, the 3.4GHz of the E6600... not far from a given with proper mobo and OC'ing knowledge.
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I was really really really happy that my Q6600 G0 only idles at 23~25c on air, stock volts and stock speed.
Just for the record, My 'B' idles at 26c stock and ~29-30c, at 3ghz...*Also, Skullzaflare-> nice FSB on your Q4...Im tired of hearing people complain about the 'older gen' quads "in-abilities" to OC a high FSB.

Part of your ridiculous temps, is the mobo, the P5K's have such good voltage regulation on them, I have experienced lower temps and vcores on all of the cpu's I have tested on mine....
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Just for the record, My 'B' idles at 26c stock and ~29-30c, at 3ghz...*Also, Skullzaflare-> nice FSB on your Q4...Im tired of hearing people complain about the 'older gen' quads "in-abilities" to OC a high FSB.

Part of your ridiculous temps, is the mobo, the P5K's have such good voltage regulation on them, I have experienced lower temps and vcores on all of the cpu's I have tested on mine....
Do you have a regular P5K? Not the deluxe? what's the difference other than the wifi? and what is the vdroop mod?
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