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OK, so I got the Kingwin awc1 back when I was running my A64 and well it wasn't worth it but now I am about to dive back into it and see what I can do with my Intel setup.

My question is, if I cool the water below ambient temps using like a refrigeration unit is that a decent concept or not, I will have adjustable temp. on it so I can keep the water from becoming too far below ambient temps to hopefully prevent any condensation.

The idea is if I set it to like say 70f when the temp. of the water hits that (my ambient is 65f btw) the unit will kick on and cool the water back down to 70f or below but, it sounds good on paper and in theory from everything I have got setup for it but in use is this practical or is cooling a rad. with air just as efficient??

And I am looking into using 1/4" copper tubing to run as my lines instead of silicon or some other tubing so it will release heat as it travels through the tubing as well as when it runs through the rad... So any comments are welcome and feel free to say it's a stupid idea or not, but please try to have constructive comments and not just saying it's stupid, back it up with a theory or experience please.
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you cant cool a computer with a fridge.
if you really want to make a waterchiller, you need a more powerfull refridgeration unit. those from A/C's should work, or if you want to use peltiers, you could squeeze them between a Waterblock and a cheap (though decent) forged (so no heatpipe design) CPU's HSF
like this one here:
http://www.petrastechshop.com/arcosi64ul.html
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well what it actually is, is a water fountain, we replaced the ones in the building with new ones and were going to throw the old ones away so I kept a couple just to tinker with.

So it is already setup for all connections and it's just like the res. that would be cooled, so not technically cooling pc with a fridge(I'm not that stupid).

More like having a phase going to your water res.. If you have ever torn down a water fountain then you would know what I was meaning. I can set it to keep the water as cold as 20f and probably lower but that is as cold as I ket it get(started freezing water). I figured that would be able to keep the water pretty cold since the res. would hold right at a gallon of liquid.

But I guess your right, there would be no way for the water to release the heat running at about 150-180 gph but it would prob. keep pulling heat from cpu so it would just heat up too quickly.
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Since the total unit price was right, FREE. Go for it! Once it's hooked up in the loop you should be able
to adjust for lower temps without freezing.

I would go with poly tubing on the internal case loop though, copper tends to sweat too much when chilled.
Running a duct from the cooling unit to an 80mm case intake fan(side panel) will solve the condensation
problem by lowering the dew point.

Good luck, have fun and we needs pics.
  
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I will get some pics up by tomm.,, and yea the price of free is what got me thinking about trying this. I already have a side fan on the case but running a duct will be a problem as the cooling unit itself(the res.) is completely sealed to prevent condensation and leakage of it. It's kinda like looping a phase unit around a copper flask and then sealing it off, I'll get pics tomm. when I go to work to show the unit and how it would be setup


And about the copper tubing I was thinking of running it insulated from the res. to the case then poly tubing from case inlet to cpu block inlet and outlet back to the outlet from the case then non-insulated copper tubing to inlet for res.( pump will be on the inside of the case in between case inlet and cpu inlet).

One thing is for sure it'll be a funl ittle project, I've got an extra mb, gfx, and ps so I just need to get a new cpu(I'll start with my 4300 though.)


BTW, I do need a good/decent cpu wc block but I don't exactly have a whole lot of cash right now. Any recommendations??



Alright, here are some pics, though please keep in mind this idea is still taking shape and forming so any suggestions will be appreciated. So what I have here is a water fountain and I just blocked two of it's 3 outlets and of course used its inlet, I am planning on using the bottom outlet as soon as I get the pumps and fittings for the 1/2" outlet. Also I know it'll take prob. at least 4-6 pumps maybe more, but instead of trying to figure out its volume and all that I'm taking the lazy route and just gonna pick up the pumps until I get an adequate flow rate. As you will be able to see(I hope if pics turned out ok, and it's routed backwards) I am going to have it res./fountain, pump, cpu, pump, rad, pump, res./fountain, and I will put up to two pumps in a row, as you can see it'll be a good bit of tubing and it will take some good pumps, looking at at least 1,000 lph ratings. Where the kingwin unit is, that will mimic some of the components for now just to kinda give an idea.

Pics,
http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/...5m_efda549.jpg
http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/...7m_a21b245.jpg
http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img....jpg&srv=img35
http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/...3m_412686b.jpg ,,,,, SORRY ABOUT THE SIZE.....
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/...0m_7094ffa.jpg
http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/...Tm_4a4cf62.jpg

I hope the pics help explain and show what I'm contemplating on trying, the pc in the next to the last pic is an old dell we had laying around the shop so I figured I would use it to test
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The best one out right now is the Fuzion I think...See if you can find a used one or the older Apogee is good or the Danger Den TDX is a pretty good one...Check the for sale threads here....There is another guy here thats using a water fountain I cant remember his name right now...Hopefully he will see this thread maybe he can give you some how to advise....


You might want to go ahead and condensation proof it while you have it apart its easy...Check out my camera icon and you can see how I put neoprene on my water block..I have a Pelt and was planning on adding a chiller to it but I haven't gotten to it yet...I'm going with a bigger Pelt first...Danger Den has neoprene squares and dielectric grease...


...Condensation Prevention

...Swiftech Condensation Proofing
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Yeah, the D-Tek Fuzion is the best performing retail bang for the buck ATM.
Since you can't afford an all metal block ATM, the Fuzion has a derlin top,
which don't tend to crack as much as the polycarb ones.
  
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So it looks like I need some help on finding some good pumps, I was wondering, exactly how much difference would using like pond pumps affect it other than having to add a lot of evaporative buckets, but if it works it might be worth it.
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