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Hey all, total noob lurker here, I always lurk around forums cause I'm too lazy to post and reply, but I read a lot of stuff, I know the components on the market pretty well, don't know much about overclocking though.

Hmm, here I am and I want to build a new computer (2nd comp that I build on my own ) and...

Main Uses:
a) Games
b) 3ds Max (I really want to get into 3D modelling and animation, I've dabbled in it but haven't pursued it much because my currrent comp is too slow and it's annoying to load and render and such)
c) Vista ready (not going to get vista until the first or second service pack comes out for it, cause I don't think it's ready yet for the market yet)
d) Dual Monitor ready (I'll get a dual monitor probably after this next school semester, but for now, im running with one)

This is the current build: (oh and by the way. I have connections that make me get most pieces at cost)
AND...all prices are in canadian.

MOBO: P5N-E-SLI, NF4 650I SLI, 2PCI, 1PCI-EX1X, 2PCI EXPRESS 16X, 4DDR2, ATX 137$
VC: BFG PX8800GTS 320MB DDR3 TV+DVI (#BFGR88320GTSOCE - OVERCLOCK) 320$
CPU:E6600 2.40 CORE 2 DUO 4M 253$
RAM: PC2-6400 DDR2 Plat Rev 2 XTC Dual Channel (OCZ2P800R22GK) 148$
DVD: PIONEER 212D 18X SATA DVD-/+ RW DUAL LAYER (OEM) W/ 0 SOFTWARE 38$
Case:NINE HUNDRED (#33861E) CHAS ATX TWR 3 5.25 6 3.5 4FANS 115$
PSU : OCZ 700 Watt GameXStream SLI (OCZ700GXSSLI) 136$
Mouse: G5 LASER WIRED USB MOUSE (RB) #931376-0215 47$
Keyboard: USB 350 BLACK KB (BB) (# 967740-0403 ) 13$

Total from my special cost connection: Total: 1207$
+tax...... 1383$

Cooling: CPU/Case/Southbridge
Tigerdirect Total: 119$


Grand Total: 1502$

Cooling:
T925-2009 :: ThermalTake Smart Blue 120mm LED Case Fan Blue (0.55 lbs)
T925-2032 :: Thermaltake / Ruby Orb / Socket 775/754/939/940/AM2 / Aluminum Core/Fins / CPU Cooler (1.7 lbs)
T925-1164 :: Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II Northbridge Chipset Cooler (0.45 lbs)

I hope that all makes sense, and I would like a DVD reader since i don't have one currently, and a new mouse and keyboard cause...mine are friggin old. My old kit is up for sale by the way:

Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Video Card: RADEON X800 Series
Hard Disk: 80gb western digital
Motherboard: Asus A8N-SLI
CD-rom: MITSUMI CD-ROM FX4820T!B
Mouse:: Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Optical
Keyboard: Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Lan Card: NETGEAR FA310TX Fast Ethernet

I doubt anyone wants in but whatever. I live in Quebec so if you want it and live in quebec, I could even bring it to you. lol

Thanks for the help in advance.
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It all looks pretty good to me.

I would seriously look for a Quad Core CPU though... The Q6600 should not cost much more than the E6600:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...ufacture=INTEL

Also, if you can afford it, the 640MB version of the 8800GTS would be nice for you.... That's a bit more money, but I think the extra memory is worth it:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...anufacture=BFG TECHNOLOGIES

I'd personally not get the GameXStream, but a Silverstone OP650 instead. It's just a better PSU:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...re=Silverstone Technology
    
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post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
It all looks pretty good to me.

I would seriously look for a Quad Core CPU though... The Q6600 should not cost much more than the E6600:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...ufacture=INTEL

Also, if you can afford it, the 640MB version of the 8800GTS would be nice for you.... That's a bit more money, but I think the extra memory is worth it:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...anufacture=BFG TECHNOLOGIES

I'd personally not get the GameXStream, but a Silverstone OP650 instead. It's just a better PSU:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...re=Silverstone Technology
Good build to me, I run a similar build and have been happy with it, I use max daily and have 2 widescreen LCDS, soon 3 I am thinking...I personally do not like that MOBO, I have had 2, and have fried 2, I went with what I have now and it rules. Only thing I dont like is no Firewire.

Have fun!

P.S. about to go quad core for rendering capabilites....
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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
It all looks pretty good to me.

I would seriously look for a Quad Core CPU though... The Q6600 should not cost much more than the E6600:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...ufacture=INTEL

Also, if you can afford it, the 640MB version of the 8800GTS would be nice for you.... That's a bit more money, but I think the extra memory is worth it:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...anufacture=BFG TECHNOLOGIES

I'd personally not get the GameXStream, but a Silverstone OP650 instead. It's just a better PSU:
http://www.directcanada.com/products...re=Silverstone Technology
1) Ya I meant to put the quad core in, my bad, it's a build i've been looking at for like a month and the E6600 was what I was looking for before, but what's better for 3D, like quadcore (Q6600) or the E6850? Like, especially overclocked.

1b) for 3d graphics, is it pure processing power that matters or is it a combination of graphics card, processor and ram? or just quantity of ram and processor speed or..u know?

2) k from these prices what would you, in terms of graphics card, SLI or not, whatever. Try to keep my budget in mind of about 1500...oh and if you think i'm better off getting less cooling or something and a better card, please suggest it lol... :
BFG PX8800ULTRA 768OC 740$
BFG PX8800GTX 768MB OC version 2 579$
BFG PX8800GTX 768MB OC version 1 537$ (thinking hard about this one)
LEADTEK PX8800 GTX 768MB 527$
BFG PX8800GTS 640MB OC version 2 440$
BFG PX8800GTS 640MB OC version 1 400$
LEADTEK PX8800 GTS 640MB 390$
BFG PX8800GTS 320MB OC version 2 336$
BFG PX8800GTS 320MB OC version 1 320$
LEADTEK PX8800 GTS 320MB 309$
(I don't know the details of the different OC versions if you're wondering, and should i put less on the VC and more on the CPU?)

3) I don't know if I have access to silverstone, at least not at cost, but you still suggest I get it from directcanada or tiger? Also, I have access to BFG PSUs, Thermaltake, OCZ, Antec, so that at cost or go to direct/tiger for a better PSU?
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Good build to me, I run a similar build and have been happy with it, I use max daily and have 2 widescreen LCDS, soon 3 I am thinking...I personally do not like that MOBO, I have had 2, and have fried 2, I went with what I have now and it rules. Only thing I dont like is no Firewire.

Have fun!

P.S. about to go quad core for rendering capabilites....
your mobo is what? Gigabyte 965P-DS3?

Why do you prefer it over the asus?
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Oh I forgot, what about hard drives, right now I have like a 200 gb something or other, and an 80 gb something or other, but getting 2 new 160 gb hard drives and throwing them in raid 0 and then using my 80 as my system drive or something, or a big waste of money?
Like take that money and put it in the VC so that I can afford an 8800 GTX?
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Originally Posted by Wudek View Post
your mobo is what? Gigabyte 965P-DS3?

Why do you prefer it over the asus?
Because it lasts longer and IMO is much more solid (better built)

Answers:

1) Quadcore is what you want, it will help tremendously while rendering...

1a) If I am interpreting your question correctly, 3dgraphics, like modeling and such in 3ds max use the vid card and processor, however, your video card is what handles moving around in your scene file, IE rotating around 5 mil polys in a scene, and doesnt actually effect your rendering at all...The thing that matters the most is the Processor and ram, the more the better = the faster renders!

2. Get the non OCed 640 and overclock it, or if you dont want to OC get this, BFG PX8800GTS 640MB OC version 1, its $10 more...

Oh yeah, Newegg has better prices on a lot of stuff here/better options...
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Oh yeah, Newegg has better prices on a lot of stuff here/better options...
Newegg is in american $ and dosen't ship to canada so...

www.ncix.com is where I buy stuff in canada most of the time.

Example, the ram you linked is way too expensive...
RAM: PC2-6400 DDR2 Plat Rev 2 XTC Dual Channel (OCZ2P800R22GK) 148$

Crucial Ballistix 109$ After mail in rebate of 25$
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...Y&promoid=1042

Or Quad core 298$ - Remember that a lot of people reporting NCIX is shipping G0 stepping. Id rather pay a few dollars more to be almost sure to get G0.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...l&promoid=1042

Vid card - 640MB EVGA 8800GTS - Lifetime warranty 389$ after rebate
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...A&promoid=1042


So to the OP, if the prices you linked are "cost" then your source dosen't have very good price. NCIX also have a program where you can buy a 1 year Premier Partner thingy and you get better prices, free cross-ship RMA, and free shipping I beleive. I heard the 150$ you pay to buy it pay itself if you build a complete new system. But I can't realy say for sure because I haven't done it yet. maybe in 2008 when I make a new system with all new parts ill try it.
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directcanada offers good prices also... Just a few $$ over your 'special' pricing for the few parts I checked.

Here is my suggested build:

I would get a P35 based motherboard... those things are the best, esp. with a Quad Core! the nVidia chipset based boards tend to not overclock very well with a Quad. Also, although it's 'only' 520W, that Corsair PSU is definately better than the GameXStream, and more than enough for this rig.

this totals to $1,336.31CAD, which should be about $1,532CAD after tax. The rebate on the RAM drops you below $1,500. I saw you got some better prices (video card) on NCIX.... Also, doesn't NCIX not have a price match guarantee???.

I did away with the NB/SB cooling... I don't believe there is a need for it with the Intel P35 chipset.. The Intel chipsets generally don't run as hot as the nVidias. Also, for the time being, I choose a cruddy keyboard/mouse combo.. get the fancy mouse later (nice birthday gift??). Finally, make do with your current drives for now, and save up for a pair of 250GB SATA drives. (If you really get serious with the video stuff, get FOUR of them for RAID10 or RAID0+1, so you have data redundancy).
    
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Yeah NCIX will pricematch, just click Start Price Match when you put things in the basket and enter the link where you found cheaper. Spuer Easy. Delay your order by about a day tho for the y have to check manually.

Also if you don't live in BC they only charge you the 6% GST not the provincial sale tax. if you are a buisness it might be a good idea to declare it but for mr.everybody else... hehehe.

Plus NCIX have a great customer service. I purchased my titanium ram before the drastic drop in price a few days later. Opened a ticket about it because that like 180$ less than what I paid 2 days ago and asked if they could do something about it. I told them I was waiting for the Core 2 E6420 and if they help me then they get my buisness garanteed when it got released =)

1 Days later they re-funded the 180$ difference on my credit card. So that is why I always buy NCIX now, I check elsewhere but pricematch if I find lower I never buy elsewhere unless NCIX dosen't carry what I want.
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