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AMD stated that the Barcelona's will "fit into current envelopes" so it is unknown, but if a dual core puts out what, call it 65 watts, what will a quad put out. I estimate it is the same 95 watts, but it could be more like 125. I mentioned the 8 core, because for AMD to attempt to get an octal core system in a single socket, they would be unable to with their current technology (the 65 nm process) so they would have to design an entirely new architecture unless they can drop each core to generating less than 30 watts.
Who's to say they haven't dropped power consumption? It's a new arch, why wouldn't it be more efficient than the K8? Just because the lowest power X2's have a 65W envelope doesn't mean you can apply it to an entirely new architecture. As for the 95W thing, I watched a press conference where the speaker specifically stated 95W as the TDP of Barcelona.
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As for the 95W thing, I watched a press conference where the speaker specifically stated 95W as the TDP of Barcelona.
I think I read it off INQ
    
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As for the powering of the 3X2900's, I am hoping very much that they are working on a 65nm version soon to bring out. That'll cut down the power requirements a lot and enable us to run them quieter and faster .
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Jesus, three 2900XT's? How do they want us to power this, with a car battery?

Cool none-the-less. Can't wait!
* Lead-acid battery

The most commonly used battery for SLI applications. It has a low specific energy, but is cheaper than high-performance battery types.

* NiMH

Used on some battery electric cars.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_battery

Actually the 2900XT's must use a third card, that one is called the "fire" card, it contains a small dust powered electric generating plant, the 8800's in SLI are more enviromentally friendly apparently and just need a battery!
    
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As much as I'm an AMD fan (and those of you who've argued with me know I am... )

I dont believe it.
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post #86 of 161
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As much as I'm an AMD fan (and those of you who've argued with me know I am... )

I dont believe it.
Kind of feeling the same way... it just seems too spur of the moment to be true :-\\

Perhaps they got a HUGE kink ironed out of the architecture that allowed them to ramp the speed up that high, but that seems like an awful big jump to me... and isn't that "Tri-fire" picture from an older article - Computex or something?

Just seems like a lot of open air around it, I'd like a CPU-Z shot
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Me too ^_^ I was going to build a HTPC with a quad inside a silverstone Sugo 3, but now I'm thinking it may be green inside.

To those with power on their mind (everybody), remember that AMD's refresh of the 2900 cannot be too far away and their 65 process is steadily improving.
If you are going for a HTPC you would be most benefited by going with the G0 Q6600 (95Watts) or the new Xeon's. The L5410 is a 2.13Ghz / 1333Mhz FSB / 12MB L2 / 45NM / Quad Core Xeon using only 50 Watts of power for $320.

Or you could get the E5410 which is 2.33Ghz / 1333Mhz FSB / 12MB L2 / 45NM / Quad Core Xeon using 80 Watts of power for $209.

Those are you best bet in a HTPC computer where power consumption and heat generation is a big concern.

The new Xeons also have SSE4, some new fancy form of hyper-threading, and individual scaling of each core.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8074

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Who's to say they haven't dropped power consumption? It's a new arch, why wouldn't it be more efficient than the K8? Just because the lowest power X2's have a 65W envelope doesn't mean you can apply it to an entirely new architecture. As for the 95W thing, I watched a press conference where the speaker specifically stated 95W as the TDP of Barcelona.
Barcelona will launch from 68-95Watts with Q4 chips using 68-120 Watts. So you got it right on about Barcelona. But can those TPDs really compete with Intel's 50 Watt quad core Xeons?
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Barcelona will launch from 68-95Watts with Q4 chips using 68-120 Watts. So you got it right on about Barcelona. But can those TPDs really compete with Intel's 50 Watt quad core Xeons?
Aren't the 50W Xeons just going to be underclocked and binned for low voltage?? Again, who's to say AMD's new arch can't scale the sale the same way? I was under the impression Intel's TDP is an average, whereas AMD lists a maximum draw/dissipation for their TDP. So a low end chip with a 65W TDP might never actually draw 65W, it's just that 65W is the TDP for a range of products.
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Aren't the 50W Xeons just going to be underclocked and binned for low voltage?? Again, who's to say AMD's new arch can't scale the sale the same way? I was under the impression Intel's TDP is an average, whereas AMD lists a maximum draw/dissipation for their TDP. So a low end chip with a 65W TDP might never actually draw 65W, it's just that 65W is the TDP for a range of products.
I cannot speculate on how either company comes up with their TDP ratings.

However, the new 50W Xeons are not underclocked, but they are definitely binned.

You can get the E5430 or the L5430. They are the same chips except one uses 80 Watts and one uses 50 Watts. The "L" series are $64 more than their respective "E" series.

These chips have such good power consumption because they are the new 45nm Penryn cores.
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I cannot speculate on how either company comes up with their TDP ratings.

However, the new 50W Xeons are not underclocked, but they are definitely binned.

You can get the E5430 or the L5430. They are the same chips except one uses 80 Watts and one uses 50 Watts. The "L" series are $64 more than their respective "E" series.

These chips have such good power consumption because they are the new 45nm Penryn cores.
I remember from a roadmap that the 50W Xeons were lower clocks than the typical chips. Regardless, until AMD makes solid specifications, it's just speculation. The fact that they can hit 3.0ghz when previously 2.0ghz was supposedly the max means that something has changed.
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