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So I lapped my CPU. It did look particularly uneven. The copper appeared unevenly.

Now I put it back in, the temp difference is maybe 4c. I mean its EXPECTED, but it means thats not really the problem.

So earlier I simply said: "Screw the temps" and oced. I'm not doing 3.6 anymore but im' at 3.4 at 54c idle. load temps are 70-75 which i'm fine with, seeing as the stock cooler was doing 70 load.

What do you all think of this situation? I've been googling a bunch and lots of people think their temps simply dont make sense.

My ambient is 28 today because its mid day, but its been 20c and 25 in my case and my chips supposedly 70.

Moo..

PS bios has been flashed.
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thats post #2s temps

Anyways my airflow is fine. My case is cold. Heatsink isnt warm. but yes it is seated properly.

I'm basically wondering when my cpu will throttle or whether it will just fry suddenly? Because i dont believe it my temps and i am going in rambo style.

now i'm at 3.4ghz and my temps are 75c. Thats 5 more than stock for me.

stock hs at 2.4ghz = 70. zalman at 3.4ghz = 75.

Anyways, i dont have the nuts to go on at the moment so i'll just go along.
If the heatsinkisn't warm, it's not doing its job.
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Originally Posted by YuchanT View Post
So I lapped my CPU. It did look particularly uneven. The copper appeared unevenly.

Now I put it back in, the temp difference is maybe 4c. I mean its EXPECTED, but it means thats not really the problem.

So earlier I simply said: "Screw the temps" and oced. I'm not doing 3.6 anymore but im' at 3.4 at 54c idle. load temps are 70-75 which i'm fine with, seeing as the stock cooler was doing 70 load.

What do you all think of this situation? I've been googling a bunch and lots of people think their temps simply dont make sense.

My ambient is 28 today because its mid day, but its been 20c and 25 in my case and my chips supposedly 70.

Moo..

PS bios has been flashed.
You can't simply say screw the temps.. Something was wrong and your mb can die as well.

Also why lap it and the run 75??
That makes NO sense. If it is going to die (which it will at that temp) within 6 months you will need to throw it out.
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You can't simply say screw the temps.. Something was wrong and your mb can die as well.

Also why lap it and the run 75??
That makes NO sense. If it is going to die (which it will at that temp) within 6 months you will need to throw it out.
I said screw it before I lapped it. It dropped temps 4c and now its 75 with tat.
Its been running for 4 months with stock cooler till a couple days ago at 70 load. I'm not worried about 75, since it runs 55 and 65 during actual peaks (ie not TAT).

As for the heatsink not getting warm = not doing its job, i thoguth the same thing, but my friend is sitting right next to me with the same heatsink. He is reading normal temps and its not hot either.

Certainly ours both cant be cold to the touch, while i'm the only one reading high temps. His is amd x2 4800 oced to 3ghz, load 50.

Thankyou for the comments last poster, but maybe you cant tell thats EXACTLY what i'm trying to do. Figure out the problem. because its not the chips surface, its not thermal paste application.

Quite the help guys. Fantastic attitude here. I guess i'm done.
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I said screw it before I lapped it. It dropped temps 4c and now its 75 with tat.
Its been running for 4 months with stock cooler till a couple days ago at 70 load. I'm not worried about 75, since it runs 55 and 65 during actual peaks (ie not TAT).

As for the heatsink not getting warm = not doing its job, i thoguth the same thing, but my friend is sitting right next to me with the same heatsink. He is reading normal temps and its not hot either.

Certainly ours both cant be cold to the touch, while i'm the only one reading high temps. His is amd x2 4800 oced to 3ghz, load 50.

Thankyou for the comments last poster, but maybe you cant tell thats EXACTLY what i'm trying to do. Figure out the problem. because its not the chips surface, its not thermal paste application.

Quite the help guys. Fantastic attitude here. I guess i'm done.
what he means is you may need to reapply the thermal paste. you might not have gottent he proper amount. your friend might have, its running cooler altogether.

did you flash the latest bios? what does the bios report temps as?
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Thank you for the friendlier tone. I ruled out thermal paste because I have reseated this thing 12 times or so, with no exaggeration.

There was always new things to try such as thinking the mounting clip wasnt tight enough so I bent it more (got me a few c better temps) or using different pastes (cermique, as5 and the stock stuff my zalman came with).

Basically I had a great chance to see that my temps stay the same.

I'm not using too much. I realize thats probably what people want to think but what can I say. I've purposely tried putting too much on, too little on, just to rule them out.

Got latest bios, it reports 55c, a little hotter than when I first start windows (i'm at 50c untill after a few hours in, when idle becomes 55)

Basically, is this even heard of? what are the possibilities of whats happening?

1: i'm not applying paste right (i'd bet 5 grand its not the case)
2: cpu surface is not flat (lapped it today)
3: HS surface is not flat
4: Mobo isnt reading temps right
5: Air flow isnt good enough (though case temps arnet going up enough to suggest it)
6: intel gave me a dual core prescott
7: i have a huge graphics card heating the place up (no)


So a few years ago I put together a machine with a 3200+ newcastle core and a k8t neo fis2r. I bought aftermarket cooling for my no OC machine because the temps were WAY out of wack..

After trying to fix it for a long time I find out that my particular combination of board and CPU read temps wrong (msi forum).

That definitely helps bother me today, even though i havent heard badaxe2+conroe people saying anything.

Well, time to hit the sack.. night
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That's annoying. My E6600 is smoking hot when OCed too. I think certain steppings might be hotter not sure.
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That's annoying. My E6600 is smoking hot when OCed too. I think certain steppings might be hotter not sure.
Lol. Too hot for the phase even

My conroe is stepping 6/b2

I came across a post that linked four others 6 month old posts about badaxe2 temperature problems.

I'm glad to see at least 10 others simply ignore it as all clues lead to misreported temps.

But that doesnt make me feel to comfortable as I want to OC. Is the auto shutuff feature mechanical or through the the die temp sensor?

Monitor 1 and 2.

Of course there are others that do have it working, but many people are doing exactly what I am (trying everything) and getting the same temps. Some are convicned theirs is off by 10, some 20.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=105094
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=103494
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=105761
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=105143
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What vcore are you using man? I mean i saw you said you run at 3.6ghz so i'm thinking it must be high, and if your not experienced you could have it WAY to high.

How much AS5 did you use? You need to use Audi's AS5 method, get a mechanical pencil head and stick it on the end of the AS5 tube. A small line down CPU, making sure that line is going the correct way.

What's your care airflow like? I believe you said you had a zalman? I know those need good airflow.

Lapping the CPU should give you about 4C drop, so that is expected, and we can now rule out physical defects of the CPU being the cause.

How flat is your zalman? An easy way to test the flatness is to get a piece of glass from like a picture frame. Put a drop of water on your zalman's base, and then press the glass on the zalman and see how the water spread.
Or put the piece of glass on a flat surface, like kitchen countertop. Put a small drop of water on that glass, and then try to pick up the piece of glass with your heatsink's base via suction. If it's flat it will work to some degree. If it's not it won't.

While i agree with you that you should not follow TAT temps, because for some reason those are EXTREMELY high. I am telling you right now that those temps are NOT ok. Go try Orthos, those are more realistic load temps, even though they are still a tad over what you would encounter in normal use.
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Hi, thanks for the reply!

I have not used that method, but i'll try it next time.

Not that I havent used an uncooked rice grain, uncooked rice grain + spread, a long line, a very thin line, the works.. I will attempt it later today.

my Vcore is set in bios at 1.425v. everest says 1.39v (i'm back down to 3.4ghz now)

Thanks for the advice on the HS. I will check for flatness today, maybe right now.

I agree that the temps are not okay. I was saying i'm not worried about the TAT scores simply because my stock cooler has been running for months on tats 70c.

Not saying 70c is okay, just that my stock has been running that. Its a relative issue =P

ie i'd be comfortable if my stock had been running at max 80c for months and months, i'd be happy to run an OC with new cooler at 80c.

at current settings double orthos StressCPU tops out at 68c

My zalman pulls in air towards the mobo. Its getting ambient air from my side air extending duct. I can feel lots of air running through my fingers outside. MB temp reports 30, ambient is 25.

When i open the case up, i feel the air around my card is hot and the air coming out of the PSU in the back is hot. Nothin else. (GPU diode 56c).

Well, i'm off to go check how flat the HS is and reapply paste yet again.. in audis thin line.. cash prize if it does anything. and yes, i'm practically ocd, i clean the paste till it smells like.. deliciousness.
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