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I'm not a fanboy of AMD or Intel. That's all I'm saying. This supposed bias towards one company or another you have given me has irked me somewhat. I don't know why you picked me to slander but I forgive you for it. I would like to at this time apologize to you personally for.. well whatever it was that gave offense, I'm sure you outburst was justified in some way.
That was pretty bizarre. Looks like someone needs a
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Im glad someone has finally stood up to Intel.. i mean they bribed dell for how many years? Along with other companies but really.

I am not always for these Anti-trust cases, but this one actually makes sense.
    
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Ahem, that's why we don't use wiki articles to find our facts.

Try a reputable source: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/...ata/index.aspx

Also you should probably substantiate the claim that the US economy is growing faster than Europe.
I used the CIA World Factbook, thank you.

IMF is about as reliable as the UN's IPCC.
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Feel superior now? Good for your ego Hopefully you don't ridicule me in the same way for my differing opinion; or give me an infraction because you can. Are you trying to scare people from disagreeing with you on this forum. You are far more mature than that.
Duke don't play that, I respect the membership!

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All companies try to manipulate the market into buying their products. All advertisements and commercials have this purpose. All marketing campaigns have this purpose. Marketing is inherently, in and of itself, a form of propaganda (an attempt with the purpose of MANIPULATING a target group of people). I do not understand what you are trying to say. Power is always abused. It is sad yes, and perhaps extremely unfair and unjust. But why punish one company for the sins of hundreds, if not thousands of other companies who all do the same thing with the same goal; that just get off the hook because their competitor doesn't whine about them as much (and yes its a fact AMD spurned the EU).
The manipulation I was referring to was the later referral to to the 'Black Listing' of major players. Not the "advertising" you, not I referred to.
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You may be right, but what EXACTLY do you mean by the bolded. Everyone says/repeats this same exact statement, it could mean almost anything if you think about it/interpret it in different ways, from different points of view. After you tell me what you mean, please show me some more proof (so I can be sure). Thanks. I do, in ALL SERIOUSNESS, believe what you say is true, just want to make sure I know what you mean.
Proof of the threats of Black Listing were made in the investigation in antitrust in Japan!
" AMD’s suit in the Tokyo High Court seeks USD$50 million in damages and stems from the Japan Fair Trade Commission’s findings in March that Intel violated the country’s antimonopoly act. "
Intel chose to play stupid and ...
"Anyway, Intel president and CEO Paul Otellini dismissed charges from Advanced Micro Devices Inc. in Japan on Tuesday, July 17, 2005. He denies the claims that Intel illegally dampened competition in the microprocessor market and said that Intel only agreed to sanctions in a recent ruling in Japan in an effort to resolve the legal suit."
http://www.sapiensbryan.com/index.ph...md-sued-intel/
http://www.sapiensbryan.com/index.php/amd-sues-intel/

"Intel only agreed to sanctions in a recent ruling in Japan in an effort to resolve the legal suit."
We didn't do it but... get real!
If that isn't good enough, someone is in denial!
So, is it, or is it not odd that the likes of Dell and Toshiba now use AMD processors... hmmm, One would guess that Intle is no longer with holding development data for future products to them any longer as alleged in the black listing threats to those whom used AMD processors as was found in by the Japan Fair Trade Commission!


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we know this, doesn't justify AMD/EU position that Intel shouldn't compete and convince companies to use their products (AGAIN, you may be right if you answer my above question telling me they in actuality did something ILLEGAL and not just FROWNED UPON (big difference), and secondly what that something was.
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QFT!. again not really on-topic but a very good insight nevertheless
People don't realize that almost NOBODY overclocks. I would say less than 1% of all computer users overclock. Thus, AMD's prices look great! A 6000+ which is CLOSE to an E6600 at stock (not quite but really close) is $50 cheaper if i am not mistaken, right? at least at newegg it is (170 vs 220). Of course, when it comes to quads, Intels totally own anyway.

which every company with the money would do, doesn't make them evil (or at least any different than any other company)
"it" as in the second part??


I am not a fanboy. I love AMD and Intel. I USED to be an AMD fanboy back in the K8 days, zomg it was amazing how much AMD pwned Intel but Intel still made lots of money because of OEM. Also proves your good point about 'retail' market vs us crazy people. Both companies used to be totally different approaches but after Netburst Intel learned to be AMD and AMD learned to be Intel. I cannot think of a more succinct or accurate way to describe new gen AM2 vs C2D 775. Intels innovation stunns and shocks me, although its pleases me as well

I know AMD is cooking somethin up, but maybe its waiting a bit too long imho.
Nice debate by you actually

If you care to read the 48 pages...
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont..._Complaint.pdf

The short of it... I quote
In short, AMD claimed Intel has been doing illegal and unfair action including the following:-
  • Intel has forced major customers into exclusive or near-exclusive deals.
  • Intel has conditioned rebates, allowances and market development funding on customers’ agreement to severely limit or forego entirely purchases from AMD.
  • Intel has established a system of discriminatory, retroactive, first-dollar rebates triggered by purchases at such high levels as to have the practical and intended effect of denying customers the freedom to purchase any significant volume of processors from AMD.
  • Intel has threatened retaliation against customers introducing AMD computer platforms, particularly in strategic market segments.
  • Intel has established and enforced quotas among key retailers effectively requiring them to stock overwhelmingly, if not exclusively, Intel-powered computers, thereby artificially limiting consumer choice.
  • It has forced PC makers and technology partners to boycott AMD product launches and promotions.
  • Intel has abused its market power by forcing on the industry technical standards and products which have as their central purpose the handicapping of AMD in the marketplace.
from http://www.sapiensbryan.com/index.php/amd-sues-intel/
    
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Come on people now, smile on each other. Everybody get together and love one another right now...
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