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hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me to overclock my desktop? I'm looking to squeeze a little more performance out of it but know basically nothing about overclocking, I'm looking to get it up to a level where it is still stable and doesn't need any extra cooling on top of what I have at the moment. Thanks!
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Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
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post #2 of 9
Many things to learn.
1. RAM voltage increases and timing changes can help improve the speed and have a lot of effect on the OCing, even at moderate levels. Your DDR2 667 will be even more a factor and may require using a divider or under clocking it.
What exact RAM is it?
Post the "SPD" tab of CPU-Z which you can get @ www.cpuid.com

2. Also relative to the RAM is the memory controller or HT bus.
It always bases at the default CPU bus speed of 200MHz regardless of what base speed the RAM is running at so as the CPU bus speed increases so does the HT bus speed increase equally.
Default 200x5=1000
As the CPU is OCed, the default of the HT also rises and may require a reduction in the 5. A reduction to 4 should work with a CPU bus OC of up to about 260, beyond 260 drop to 3x.
BTW, some BIOS use "1000" to represent 5x, "800" for 4x and "600" for 3x

3. The CPU...
Stress test with OCT or Orthos and keep the full load temp below the very low 50c range.
Check the temps with CoreTemp ver 0.95, or 0.94, some people have had issues with ver 0.94
Only increase the CPU voltage or vcore a little at a time as necessary! What is necessary, try OCing with no increases and if you get either flaws on your screen, errors in OCCT or Orthos or if you pushed way to hard to fast no BOOT.

Hints:
Move up slowly, take your time and you wont likely bet to the point of BOOT problems!
Check the full temps, 50c is the recommended max temp but low low 50c is still very safe
CPU voltage... mis 1.5 range is getting to the level of pushing it, especially if you don't have a very good HSF to cool it!
RAM, 2-2.1v is the likely safe max for over volting the RAM!


    
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post #3 of 9
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ok so i downloaded the CPU-Z program and got the info, but before I post that up here I think I may have a problem... I downloaded Core Temp 0.95 and it is showing my two cores, one at 50-52 and the other at 44-47. I'm pretty sure this is already too close to the 'maximum temperature'!!! Any reasons why this would be so high? I only just turned my pc on about half an hour ago, and it has been sitting doing nothing!
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Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
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post #4 of 9
no its not maximum temperature. try re-seating your heatsink with some arctic silver thermal compound. that should lower it a few degrees. you could also try lapping it, or just get an aftermarket cooler.
what is the ambient temp?

i wouldnt want my cpu above 60c but they can go higher, probly 70c max.
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post #5 of 9
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I used orthos and core temp to test temps at max load... orthos on the StressCPU setting after 2 minutes caused temps ranging from 66-69 cel! i stopped the test for fear of damaging my CPU... any ideas why it's getting so high? or is it a problem with the program? i will try using the arctic silver thermal compound asap but i have to get it first. by the way its winter here (australia) so ambient temps range around 20-25 cel
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
250 GB CD & DVD burner Windows XP Pro Acer V551 CRT 
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Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
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250 GB CD & DVD burner Windows XP Pro Acer V551 CRT 
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post #6 of 9
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haha i think i may have found the problem... i don't think my fan on my cpu was plugged in to the motherboard properly. now when i run the same test, temps sit at around 50 cel... when i get some thermal compound onto that hopefully it will drop more.
my current PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
250 GB CD & DVD burner Windows XP Pro Acer V551 CRT 
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Saitek Eclipse ATRIX 400T 550W generic optical mouse 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
250 GB CD & DVD burner Windows XP Pro Acer V551 CRT 
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post #7 of 9
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ok Duke, late reply but as requested here is the SPD tab of CPU-Z. Slot 1 and 2 memory are identical. I have just got some arctic silver onto my cpu and am now ready to overclock i think... I found some settings in a nvidia program to do with overclocking and wondered whether or not i should play around with them... any advice? I will attach some screenshots.


my current PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
250 GB CD & DVD burner Windows XP Pro Acer V551 CRT 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse ATRIX 400T 550W generic optical mouse 
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my current PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
250 GB CD & DVD burner Windows XP Pro Acer V551 CRT 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse ATRIX 400T 550W generic optical mouse 
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post #8 of 9
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no ideas anyone?
my current PC
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
250 GB CD & DVD burner Windows XP Pro Acer V551 CRT 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse ATRIX 400T 550W generic optical mouse 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (65W version) Gigabyte M61P-S3 NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 2 x 512MB PC-5300 (667MHz) 240-pin DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
250 GB CD & DVD burner Windows XP Pro Acer V551 CRT 
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post #9 of 9
it is a temptation to use Nvidia's drivers software to overclock but I'd advise against it. You are going to be safer and likely much more stable ocing from the bios. (as far as cpu goes anyways) With the GPU you can use nvidia's stuff without a problem, just take you time as you would with your cpu and test, test, test.
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