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Isn't it funny? I've been noticing that more and more around here too. Once people actually bought one and used one, their opinion did a complete 180.
I find it funny i get shunned for saying something then a month or two later everyone always has the same opinion as me.
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While this is true, its different for a rpg, how would you split it into 2 different discs in a racing game? You wanna do race #1 gotta put in disc 1, wanna do race 8, switch over to disc 2, oh hey i forgot to do race 4, disc 1... lol. What they could do is have 2 discs, but one as a installation disc that writes everything on it onto the harddrive, and one play disc. But then people will complain its too much of a hassle to install a game once...
I think installing games on a console is the way to go. DVDs and BDs have horrid access times and transfer rates. HDDs open up more power to developers.

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I'm sure the programmers are compressing as much as they can within their allocated budget. They don't need unqualified people to tell them what to do, heck chances are you wouldn't even know were to start with making and compressing textures.
Yeah...because their budget doesn't include advanced compression. They probably just do JPEG-80% compression, rather than developing tools that dynamically measure image quality and blurring, and then compress as tiny as possible without losing much detail. Knowing Microsoft games, they probably use the JPEG format, and don't strip any header info from it.

A company somewhere(I think it was the UK?) developed a way to compress regular textures better than JPEG. It analyzes them and finds an algorithm to express much of the colour data, then makes a few finishing touches with raw pixel colours. Apparently it drops texture size up to 80%(which realistically means 25-40%). All you have to do is license it from them, which I'm sure costs a few pennies. It potentially means saving 1 DVD per copy of a game sold, so... lots of pennies.
     
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Good thing I hate Racing Games I guess
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post #44 of 94
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I think installing games on a console is the way to go. DVDs and BDs have horrid access times and transfer rates. HDDs open up more power to developers.
If the game is too big for a DVD it's gonna chew up HDD space like a mother******. While HDD's are more capable you don't want to rely on them as a console dev
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For certain games like rpgs or action games i have no problem switching a disk at some point. When it comes doen to racing games and sports games is where there is a problem. Like say they ran out of room on madden. If you want the afc you put in one disk if you want to be the nfc you put in another. (hypethetical and stupid i know but i think it made my point lol). Basically there are some games that can be multi disk and some that cant.
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F-F-F-F-F-Failure.
    
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Good Thing I'll be playing Gran Turismo and not this garbage...
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Good thing I hate Racing Games I guess
Hey man racers are fun as long as you have buddies that like racers too. Gotta love beating my brother with my badass ford mustang on need for speed underground (2 was it?)
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I don't care if anyone else brought this up yet or not. But have a read. This has been blown way out of proportion.

1. Too many people who flat out don't know what they're talking about.
2. People who just like hating on other things because it's not their preference.

Why doesn't everyone read something that the developers said - http://www.bizarrecreations.com/arti...rticle_id=5257

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DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys.
Basically, creating multiple textures is a lazy developer's way of compensating for an inferior game engine. Having the game actually create accurate lighting means you don't need multiple textures.
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post #50 of 94
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Good thing I hate Racing Games I guess
Not really, the most realistic driving game so far is ~350 mb extracted with lots of hi-res textures. Something tells me it doesn't have 5 GB of physics

This is just turning the fact they don't want to have to try newer ways of compressing stuff into a PR exercise
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