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I don't care if anyone else brought this up yet or not. But have a read. This has been blown way out of proportion.

1. Too many people who flat out don't know what they're talking about.
2. People who just like hating on other things because it's not their preference.

Why doesn't everyone read something that the developers said - http://www.bizarrecreations.com/arti...rticle_id=5257

Basically, creating multiple textures is a lazy developer's way of compensating for an inferior game engine. Having the game actually create accurate lighting means you don't need multiple textures.
Amen to that.... Those who instantly flame the developers, shame on you.

You wouldn't have any idea as to the simple stuff such as header files, function calling etc, how the fundamentals work. Let alone making a game engine! Game engines are a big deal! Why do you think the source engine is so widely appraised? Source allows midrange computers to have insanely good fps and graphics in comparison to other games. By far my favorite game engine is the one for Warcraft III. I had a celeron 600mhz run that game beautifully with no lag. Almost everything maxed out. And the game looks great simply because the game engine....

The problem is not with the development, but with the management.

I believe that the management simply do not have enough engine/game programmers, and have decided that it would be cheaper (and it is) to spend a disproportion of their payroll on graphic artists. Graphic artists are much cheaper, easier to get, provide faster results, and with enough high quality textures, can make a horrible game engine look godlike.

Good game programmers that can make an engine outa nothing are still rare, and cost a great deal in contrast to other positions of the game dev process.

As for compression, YEAH lets decompress thousands of 500kb textures, while trying to have a fps of 60....

NOT going to happen. Even the ps3 can't handle that unless you make special algorithms to take advantage of the cell...

You people have no idea how much stuff is going on in the background of a game while you are playing it. Hundreds of game loops and game logic are processed before every frame.... With 60fps...
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If noone say the article on digg yet, an employee already said they are not limited by dvd and will even include day to night changes in the game, ON A NORMAL DVD.
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I agree with the point made that we should not have to store games on console HDD's.

This would eat up space like there is no 2morrow and also... that takes away the console element... You may as well call it a pc then where you have to install you games....

The way foward is definately HD-DVD and blu-ray... no question about it....

The next revision or version of the XBOX will need to incorporate one of these technologies in order to keep up.
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I think the elite version of the 360 was a silly idea without incorperating the HD-DVD drive. MS really need to think about this.
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I think the elite version of the 360 was a silly idea without incorperating the HD-DVD drive. MS really need to think about this.

I agree... what have they done by making that version? fixed a few bugs and thats it.

If they had incorporated the HD-DVD drive into it instead of the DVD9 drive... this would future proof it from the ps3.

Games like Just Cause pushed the size of a dvd9 to the max... Mercinaries 2 will see the XBOX360 at its peak i reckon.
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post #56 of 94
With the elite the only main differences are.

1. HDMI 1.2 ( WHY NOT 1.3 ? )
2. 120GB HDD
3. Cooling issues sorted.

I love the way people bashed the PS3 for so long saying '' OMG why blu-ray, you just dont need that''

Guess some of you are eating those words as its becoming clear that storage space will eventually make a difference.
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At present in the console war we have the following dead lock:

The software has not yet cought up with the hardware on the PS3... (The games are not yet taking advantage of its power of the size of blu-ray discs)

The software has already reached the limit of the hardware with the XBOX 360. (Games are now pushing the limit of a Dual layer DVD).

These two points suggest that it will now be the PS3's turn to take the lead in the war of the two consoles.... Software will eventually catch up with the incredible power of the PS3 with blu-ray.

This will leave Microsoft haveing to make a completely new revision of the 360 which incorporates HD-DVD or blu-ray whilst still keeping the backwards compatibility with DVD's.

Who has the easier way foward then guys? I think i know who it is.
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Glad to see people actually reading my link. Oh wait, yet again people continue to post without reading all the information.

http://www.bizarrecreations.com/arti...rticle_id=5257

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DVD size is absolutely not a factor that we consider when designing our games... and PGR4 is no exception. DVD9 gives us more than we need to create a fabulous experience for you guys.
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I agree with how people blew this out of proportion a bit. But on the other hand what about bigger games. Do you think they could fit ff13 on a dvd 9 or some of the bigger role playing or adventure games with the same eye candy as say gears. I think they are running its limits and games will either start to use more then one disk (which i have no problem with) or they will end up looking like and being just as short as gears.
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A bit interesting how you guys bash consoles without HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, which is useless at the moment despite what you believe, yet you overlook the fact that the vast majority of PCs don't have Blu-Ray or HD-DVD and they're doing fine. Video is the only reason you need more storage space.

What about all the upcoming games for PC? They are on DVD9. Why would you suddenly think the 360 is doomed when PCs don't have those drives either and cross-platform game developers are doing JUST FINE.
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