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Originally Posted by Ihatethedukes View Post
Yup. But Paul is a huge right-wing guy, he'll never admit or see anything that contradicts his view that unfettered capitalism can never do wrong. (coughcough October 1929 coughcough).

Alright Paul, prove it. Until just recently (like a month ago) sales of processors were way below expected, meaning... they're gonna drop prices. Flagging sales at a fixed price point means that demand is flagging. And since we've heard of an upturn in the market you've noticed there are no more planned price cuts? Convenient right?
The price cuts have stopped because profit margins for both companies has hit rock bottom. These price cuts that were in place were to compete with each other, not increase demand for the processors.

That is why Intel had its price cuts when AMD released a new chip and same with AMD.

Over the last fiscal quarter (Q2):

Intel's profit rises 44%; sales up 8%


Advanced Micro Has Loss of $600 Million; Sales Rise


I don't appreciate the personal attacks. Attack my argument, not me.
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post #12 of 52
If you hadn't glossed right over 2/3rds of what I said I wouldn't be forced to that conclusion. Hence, it's not so much an invalid personal attack anymore as a critique on what your argument is coming from... an incomplete view of things. I made three points, you kind of countered one and with dubious evidence.

Increase in sales doesn't equal an increased demand. Having prices halved automatically will increase sales. That does not mean demand has changed. Increasing/decreasing profitability also doesn't mean demand has changed.

We can go back and forth all day about why they cut prices, but even YOU must agree that you cut prices when demand falls to gain optimum profit.
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I'm sorry, but.. might I remind you all?..

isnt this just the revalation of what soo many of us predicted would happen?
- in response that is, to the arguement that AMD might Die?

So many of US said that they would step in and prevent a monopoly..

THe journal is OBVIOUSLY biosed in its perceptions..

Fine, The fact that EU's claims. .dont have a clear cut line.. is questionable.

BUT, what do we think will happen if they didnt step in and stop (what undeniably would become) a monopoly (ESP FOR THOSE OF US, who were into PC's long enough.. to understand Intel's business attitude over the years.. "hey - take it or leave it")

In much the same way (though its hardly possible) if AMD was dominating the market, we would NEED to step in, and prevent a monopoly.
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Grim has hit it on the head really. This is to do with the EU anti monopoly policy. giving rebates to companies to give your products preferential treatment by motherboard manufacturers is not accceptable.

Is plain and simple if you wish to sell ito the EU you have to abide by the rules
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fully agree, and didnt they also threaten blacklisting as well. It was in another article i read dont know if it was one of the official complaints though.
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The voice of moderation speaks (and not a moderator).
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post #17 of 52
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Originally Posted by pauldovi View Post
Intel isn't being charged for lowering its prices, it is being charges for lower its prices to a point where AMD would be below cost in order to compete. Well too bad AMD, you should become more efficient. If you cannot stand up to the efficiency of your rival, then too bad. You don't need the government to attack Intel to keep AMD afloat.
So in essence, because one company cannot keep up with the pace of another, consumers pay a higher price.

By regulatory laws and a slow moving company, the smaller of the two rivals winds up controlling the market. I'd hardly call that a good thing.

I agree with Paul.
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Yeah from our side of the pond the press coverage was a lot less biased with just the facts and no passion involed
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post #19 of 52
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Yup. But Paul is a huge right-wing guy, he'll never admit or see anything that contradicts his view that unfettered capitalism can never do wrong. (coughcough October 1929 coughcough).

Alright Paul, prove it. Until just recently (like a month ago) sales of processors were way below expected, meaning... they're gonna drop prices. Flagging sales at a fixed price point means that demand is flagging. And since we've heard of an upturn in the market you've noticed there are no more planned price cuts? Convenient right?
Actually Paul is a huge Intel shareholder who seems intent on trying to sell as many intel products through his opinion on here as he can.
    
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post #20 of 52
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fully agree, and didnt they also threaten blacklisting as well. It was in another article i read dont know if it was one of the official complaints though.
AMD sure would be fat and happy if Intel got caps put on their european sales...
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