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Originally Posted by ElMikeTheMike View Post
So in essence, because one company cannot keep up with the pace of another, consumers pay a higher price.

By regulatory laws and a slow moving company, the smaller of the two rivals winds up controlling the market. I'd hardly call that a good thing.

I agree with Paul.
The only form of government intervention that I find acceptable is giving AMD grants. This is what the US government did to Chrysler when it was at the verge of bankruptcy to prevent a monopoly. But to force the competition to raise prices... That is disgraceful.
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Originally Posted by ElMikeTheMike View Post
So in essence, because one company cannot keep up with the pace of another, consumers pay a higher price.

By regulatory laws and a slow moving company, the smaller of the two rivals winds up controlling the market. I'd hardly call that a good thing.

I agree with Paul.
No your missing the point of the Anti Monopoly.

Take a look at M$...... Without competition a company has free reign to charge what they like. (look at the way prices of OS's have gone up over the years)

Keeping the markets competitive is in the consumers interest. and hence keeps the market boyant and varied.
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So in essence, because one company cannot keep up with the pace of another, consumers pay a higher price.

By regulatory laws and a slow moving company, the smaller of the two rivals winds up controlling the market. I'd hardly call that a good thing.

I agree with Paul.
Mike, reread what the other people said. It's not because one company cant keep up with another, it's because one company violated anti-trust laws.

Too many kids on here seem to think that if a company violates anti-trust laws their competitor is just S--t out of luck. Anti trust is in place to avoid monopolies. Wal-marts are a good thing but 15 Wal-marts in your area selling below their cost to kill local competition, only to raise prices when all competition dies is a bad thing.
    
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Actually Paul is a huge Intel shareholder who seems intent on trying to sell as many intel products through his opinion on here as he can.
LOL. That actually makes be laugh.

I am an Intel shareholder, not a huge one.

I would like to see Intel do well because of my financial stakes in Intel.

However, I am not trying to sell Intel products on this forum...

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Although the Core 2 Duo is a better processor, I would go with the very cheap X2 3800+ so that you can get 2GB of memory.

Either that or you can get one of those E2410's and overclock like mad.
http://www.overclock.net/intel-gener...ml#post2508871
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This is balls, the EU are bollocks!

Im so glad we havent tottaly bummed into the EU, Britian needs to stand strong and take back everything we ever had to do with the EU
No, this is sparta.

EU is Sparta.
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The problem is that intel is a lot bigger then amd. They can afford to cut their prices to a point that isnt financialy responsible. They may loose money or barely cover their costs but they can take a much bigger hit then amd can. Lowering your prices becuse you know the other company cant keep up with you price wise is illegal. THink about the rockafellas and oil. They used to just drop prices when somone new came out and run them out of business then bring the prices right back up.
There is a difference between cuttting prices becuase production is cheaper or yo uhave new products coming and cutting prices to force another company into the red zone.
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post #27 of 52
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
Mike, reread what the other people said. It's not because one company cant keep up with another, it's because one company violated anti-trust laws.

Too many kids on here seem to think that if a company violates anti-trust laws their competitor is just S--t out of luck. Anti trust is in place to avoid monopolies. Wal-marts are a good thing but 15 Wal-marts in your area selling below their cost to kill local competition, only to raise prices when all competition dies is a bad thing.
Thankyou!

Someone with a grasp of economics, You need to think of the bigger picture.

A Monopoly is BAD MKAY!
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post #28 of 52
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
Mike, reread what the other people said. It's not because one company cant keep up with another, it's because one company violated anti-trust laws.

Too many kids on here seem to think that if a company violates anti-trust laws their competitor is just S--t out of luck. Anti trust is in place to avoid monopolies. Wal-marts are a good thing but 15 Wal-marts in your area selling below their cost to kill local competition, only to raise prices when all competition dies is a bad thing.

It is because one company can't keep up. If AMD was holding it's own, there would be no problem.


I'm not saying monopolies are a good thing. I'm basically reiterating what Paul was saying.
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post #29 of 52
You would think the EU would get along great with Intel and Google, after all they share some common traits... anticompetitive and rapacious.

In all seriousness though AMDs claims seem paradoxical, on the one hand the rebates INTEL offered OEMs like HP and DELL could have hurt AMD yet during the time period in question AMD saw one of its largest upswings in market share and profitability.

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In Intel's case, Brussels claims to be acting for consumers. "The rebates offered by Intel were of such a quantity, of such an amount, that an efficient competitor would be forced to price below cost and we think that would be very bad for competition and bad for consumers who would be buying computers," says a Commission spokesman.
That statement is quite the oxymoron, AMD during the time in question charged a premium on all its CPUs quite the opposite of being forced to sell at below cost.

The fact remains that Intel's rebates were underhanded, if they wished to compete they should have offered price cuts across the board(much like AMD is now forced too). The other thing that really bothers me is the fact that this rebate seemed completely baseless. After all if AMD lacked the manufacturing capacity to provide a steady supply for the large OEMs what did intel have to fear? Maybe there is more to the rebates than meets the eye?
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This is obviously a scheme to destroy AMD there is no question about that.
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