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yeah but if you are using your market power to force them into the exclusives that would be illegal. Like if microsoft went around saying to the devs that they either couldnt use windows in there office or some other leverage then that would be illegal. I get where your coming from but its how intel is allegedly going about things that is the problem. IF they did it differently it might not have been a problem. If they sat down and proved to them that their processors were better price performance ratio and if they bought a certain amount they could have a discount that would be okay. But to tell them that if they dont buy or cancel shipments from amd they can have price cuts that is wrong.
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post #42 of 52
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Originally Posted by b.walker36 View Post
yeah but if you are using your market power to force them into the exclusives that would be illegal. Like if microsoft went around saying to the devs that they either couldnt use windows in there office or some other leverage then that would be illegal. I get where your coming from but its how intel is allegedly going about things that is the problem. IF they did it differently it might not have been a problem. If they sat down and proved to them that their processors were better price performance ratio and if they bought a certain amount they could have a discount that would be okay. But to tell them that if they dont buy or cancel shipments from amd they can have price cuts that is wrong.
Which is different that Microsoft paying millions for exclusive GTA4 content or Sony paying for games to be exclusively PS3?
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post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by Highly-Annoyed View Post
I think you're perceiving some kind of prejudice, or hidden anti-US agenda that, to be frank, doesn't exist. What possible benefit is there to the EU regulatory bodies, to victimise US companies?
Well according to that article the EU are driven out of spite to do so; an idea so ridiculous that frankly it strikes me as hilarious.
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post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by b.walker36 View Post
i thought one of the main reasons for the charges was intel using its market power to make oem computer builders use their chips instead of amd's.
That was the main reason. Intel in reality offered the OEMs volume discounts on their products. They are called incentives. Now the way the EU describes it is like it was some kind of bribery.

I'm just glad that people like AMD have people like the EU to take care of them.
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post #45 of 52
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Low prices are bad for the consumer... The government must step in for failing businesses... We must raise prices...

Give me a break. The EU is a joke.
Business practices are a lot different than here in the U.S.

Not to mention that in EU, you pay like $8 for a gallon of gas, whereas we only pay $2.69 and their taxes overall are a lot higher than ours.

So, it's not a matter of who can crush who but how can they (the EU government) charge more in taxes and by not selling higher? Of course the revenues are going to be a lot less.

Just like the music industry here, they'll be happy the day that the (free) online music sharing is completely abolish because it's taking money away from their (CEOs, artist and the whole industry) pockets.

Money, money, money......how can they get the most out of the people.
post #46 of 52
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Business practices are a lot different than here in the U.S.

Not to mention that in EU, you pay like $8 for a gallon of gas, whereas we only pay $2.69 and their taxes overall are a lot higher than ours.

So, it's not a matter of who can crush who but how can they (the EU government) charge more in taxes and by not selling higher? Of course the revenues are going to be a lot less.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan
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post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by Ace of Spades View Post
This is balls, the EU are bollocks!

Im so glad we havent tottaly bummed into the EU, Britian needs to stand strong and take back everything we ever had to do with the EU
AHAHAHA

"This is balls" haha thats sig worth.
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So in essence, because one company cannot keep up with the pace of another, consumers pay a higher price.
... To prevent them from having to pay even HIGHER PRICES! (when a monopoly is set up)

Consider, that the only reason they're paying these "higher prices" is because thats what they should be paying in THE FIRST PLACE (i.e - if intel wasnt trying to crush AMD, not through making better products continually but by making their prices so ridiculously low, that they barely turn a profit.. BECAUSE THEY're big enough to pull it off)...
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post #49 of 52
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Originally Posted by pauldovi View Post
So it is okay for Microsoft and Playstation to have exclusive PS3 / Xbox360 licenses, but Intel cannot have exclusive Intel OEM's?
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Which is different that Microsoft paying millions for exclusive GTA4 content or Sony paying for games to be exclusively PS3?
You're comparing business scenarios that are not directly comparable. In the exclusive game scenario, the console maker isn't selling anything...they are buying smoething. They are attempting to entice the game developer to create an exclusive product for their console; but all console manufacturers are able to openly bid for that exclusive. And it also has to be considered that, although we often have spirited debates about which console is "winning" in this or that generation, historically all of the modern console companies have actually done pretty well for themselves...i.e., no one console has 90% or the market, or whatever.

But the same is not true in the chip scenario. Intel is selling their chips to OEMs, and they are offering deeper discounts to companies that legally agree to not buy from AMD. And again, it doesn't help that Intel has an overwhelming majority over AMD. The scenario simply does not pass the smell test for anticompetitive practices.

If you really want to compare this to console exclusives, the scenario would have to be something more like Sony tells Rockstar that unless GTA4 is a PS3 exclusive, they will not allow Rockstar to publish any game on the PS3.

I don't think I can explain this any better. If you still don't get it, I almost think you don't want to get it because you don't like it very much. But laissez faire economy was tried 150 odd years ago, and it didn't work; so what we have is actually good, whether or not you or anyone else understands or likes it.
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post #50 of 52
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Originally Posted by Licht View Post
This is obviously a scheme to destroy AMD there is no question about that.
Did you even read the post? AMD is going after Intel in an attempt to tarnish their success. How is it a scheme to destroy AMD?

PS: VulcanDragon... isn't it NF7-S V2?

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