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More often then not; the reason a post that goes against the Terms of Service is not removed yet, is because either:
A. Moderator(s) for that section are not online.
or
B. No one has reported it.

The biggest issue is actually the latter. People get mad and either respond to people who are harassing others. Or they choose to do nothing and leave the thread.

I know this for a fact just from being in my own section (the AMD Section.)

The more you report, the better things will be. Moderator's of a section cannot patrol every thread. Especially places like the News, ATi, AMD, Intel, or nVidia sections. As they simply have to many threads going up all day. Which is why it takes everyone to help out.

If you see a post that you think, in the slightest, may go against the rules. Report it with a brief description of what you see; and a Staff member will look at it and make a call.

Descriptions are also VERY important. Because if you just say "trolling" it may be over looked at first, for an issue that's more pressing or one that's older.
Though give an accurate description like "Rude posts, and general harassment mixed with vulgar language and false information" will obviously get a report looked at more closely because then the Moderator's have a good understanding of what's going on at the time.
"Trolling" as a report can really be interpreted as someone just not agreeing with another person. Even though that may not always be the case.

So as an example, if you have two reports sitting in que and one says:
"Trolling"
and the other says:
"Rude and general harassment of members with vulgar language"
then which would you end up looking at first?

Being a pro-active member is a great aid to the community as a whole. Even if it's minor reports like "Wrong section, needs to be moved to AMD General" (instead of Build Logs as an example.)

Other common reports are from the News Section as well, dealing with improper formatting. Or sometimes the omission of a source link (by accident of course.) Obviously those reports will get taken care of later if there are many reports dealing with a disputes in the member base.

All reports are welcome. It's much easier to take care of one report than it is to clean up a 5 or 6 page thread that's gone out of hand.

Again, I'm not trying to dismiss anything of what you're saying. I'm just trying to explain things to you more so you can have a better understanding.

Also, "threat of Freedom of Speech lawsuit" is a null point. When you sign up on Overclock.net you agree to the Terms of Service, Professionalism Initiative, and such. Which is legally binding and it states that we are allowed to censor whatever we deem violates our rules. So "Freedom of Speech" doesn't exactly apply to a certain extent.

An example of censored speech would be things like Piracy or Software Hacks that go against the creators EULA (End User License Agreement) as it would be legal for folks to discuss that in a public forum (like a park for example) it could be deemed that Overclock.net was activating such actions. So we have it in the rules that discussion of Piracy or anything that breaks EULA agreements is not allowed, and thus would be censored.

Once more, I hope this helps you better your understanding of how things work around here.
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We as members are the eyes and the ears of the staff. We as a whole are omnipresent while they are not.
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post #113 of 182
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
More often then not; the reason a post that goes against the Terms of Service is not removed yet, is because either:
A. Moderator(s) for that section are not online.
or
B. No one has reported it.

The biggest issue is actually the latter. People get mad and either respond to people who are harassing others. Or they choose to do nothing and leave the thread.

I know this for a fact just from being in my own section (the AMD Section.)

The more you report, the better things will be. Moderator's of a section cannot patrol every thread. Especially places like the News, ATi, AMD, Intel, or nVidia sections. As they simply have to many threads going up all day. Which is why it takes everyone to help out.

If you see a post that you think, in the slightest, may go against the rules. Report it with a brief description of what you see; and a Staff member will look at it and make a call.

Descriptions are also VERY important. Because if you just say "trolling" it may be over looked at first, for an issue that's more pressing or one that's older.
Though give an accurate description like "Rude posts, and general harassment mixed with vulgar language and false information" will obviously get a report looked at more closely because then the Moderator's have a good understanding of what's going on at the time.
"Trolling" as a report can really be interpreted as someone just not agreeing with another person. Even though that may not always be the case.

So as an example, if you have two reports sitting in que and one says:
"Trolling"
and the other says:
"Rude and general harassment of members with vulgar language"
then which would you end up looking at first?

Being a pro-active member is a great aid to the community as a whole. Even if it's minor reports like "Wrong section, needs to be moved to AMD General" (instead of Build Logs as an example.)

Other common reports are from the News Section as well, dealing with improper formatting. Or sometimes the omission of a source link (by accident of course.) Obviously those reports will get taken care of later if there are many reports dealing with a disputes in the member base.

All reports are welcome. It's much easier to take care of one report than it is to clean up a 5 or 6 page thread that's gone out of hand.

Again, I'm not trying to dismiss anything of what you're saying. I'm just trying to explain things to you more so you can have a better understanding.

Also, "threat of Freedom of Speech lawsuit" is a null point. When you sign up on Overclock.net you agree to the Terms of Service, Professionalism Initiative, and such. Which is legally binding and it states that we are allowed to censor whatever we deem violates our rules. So "Freedom of Speech" doesn't exactly apply to a certain extent.

An example of censored speech would be things like Piracy or Software Hacks that go against the creators EULA (End User License Agreement) as it would be legal for folks to discuss that in a public forum (like a park for example) it could be deemed that Overclock.net was activating such actions. So we have it in the rules that discussion of Piracy or anything that breaks EULA agreements is not allowed, and thus would be censored.

Once more, I hope this helps you better your understanding of how things work around here.
100% right. My matter was handled very quickly, what Tator Tot said was right, you have to report them and it WILL be handled. From now on if i get a troll that is persistent i will report them.
post #114 of 182
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Originally Posted by jcrew3002 View Post
100% right. My matter was handled very quickly, what Tator Tot said was right, you have to report them and it WILL be handled. From now on if i get a troll that is persistent i will report them.
Glad to hear it.

It's a community effort. I as an editor, get plenty of help from all of our members when it comes to the stickies that I handle.
It takes everyone helping out to make the place better as a whole
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I have updated/clarified the external signature links policy to make some additional accommodations until we can integrate some better info-sharing features into the site.
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Profanity

Profanity has no place in a professional environment and is not tolerated on the site. The use of acronyms, abbreviations, and symbols is treated the same as using the actual words. The use of profanity will result in warnings and infractions.
Bump, specifically for this rule. I have been seeing a lot of profanity on the forums recently, with members actually not thinking it was part of the rules.
To these members I say, please be more careful with your language.
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Bump.
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Signatures

The TOS calls for signatures to not exceed 8 lines nor use text larger than size 3. For the sake of consistency, the length of signatures will be evaluated at the Fix View version of the site (1024x768). Each and every line of a signature counts toward the 8 line maximum including spaces, quote tags, etc. Size 3 text should be used only sparingly, and in most cases, size 1 and 2 text are most appropriate.

Reps should not be discussed in signatures. There is too fine of a line between begging for reps and legitimately reminding members about the rep system, so the line is drawn at not mentioning reps at all in signatures.

The TOS also prohibits the use of external links in signature. "External" refers to sites other than Overclock.net. This policy is consistent with other larger forums. Links to other sites are not permitted. Exception: As a temporary accommodation until we have better ways to share info that are directly related to our pursuits here, external links in signatures to sites like CPU-Z, Futuremark ORB, HWBot, Folding@Home stats or information, BOINC stats or infomation, etc, are acceptable. Steam Profile links are also acceptable. If you would like to link to something outside of the sites named here that is directly related to overclocking or our distributed computing projects, please contact a moderator in advance for permission.

Other formatting info

Please do not include white text, or text that matches the background color of the site, in your posts. The reasoning for this is a simple request that we make because Google's search spiders view this type of same-color text as keyword spam, which is not something we want to be associated with.

Thread titles

The TOS calls for thread titles to be descriptive. This is both to benefit the original poster as well as others who are looking for info on similar topics. To keep things looking professional, thread titles should follow certain guidelines. Below are some tips for composing appropriate thread titles -
  • Titles should be both descriptive AND informative - "Help!!!!!!!!" is not a good thread title, and "Help with mobo" is not much better. Something like "Need help with Asus P5B-E overclocking features" conveys an appropriate level of detail.
  • Use consistent capitalization - Capitalization should be used for the first word and proper names only or every word but not a mixture of both, e.g. "Need help with Asus mobo" or "Need Help with Asus Mobo" but not "Need help With asus Mobo".
  • Abbreviations and capitalization - Use proper abbreviations and appropriate abbreviation capitalization, e.g. RAM, GHz, CPU, etc. not Ram, ghz, cpu, etc.
  • Use reasonable and appropriate punctuation - Exclamation points should be use sparingly; if they're used judiciously, they effectively show emphasis, but overuse makes them pointless. Multiple punctuation marks are usually out of place, e.g. there's no need for "?!?!?!?!?!" ever. Ellipses, "...", often hurt the descriptiveness of titles by saying "Need help with..." rather than "Need help with whatever". Finally, "Need help with CPU?" should not have a question mark; it's a statement and not a question.
  • Follow specific forum guidelines - Forums such as Online Deals and For Sale have specific thread titles format. Please follow those exactly. For example, use Deal: and For Sale: in the appropriate forums instead of variations of those prefixes for the sake of consistency. Threads that do not follow forum specific guidelines may be deleted.
  • How to:, Info:, Opinion:, and FAQ: prefixes - These prefixes should not be used outside of the FAQ section as they imply that the thread has been reviewed by the staff and have been found to meet the site's FAQ guidelines. Please do not use these prefixes in other forums without prior approval.
Bump.

We have a huge problem right now regarding massive signatures. It seems like we have reached a point where I see more than just a few every single day. I saw one signature a little while ago that exceeded 50 lines, but I won't say who it was. All I can say is they should be using the Spoiler tags, but they're not.

Another problem I am seeing is a growing number of people begging for Reps in their signature. On a somewhat unrelated note, I see a growing problem where people seem to think they have to verbally offer Rep+ points in order to increase their chances of receiving help.

We also have a growing problem with really bad thread titles. For example, I saw one member's profile where the majority of his threads had one-word titles like "Help", "Question", "Why?", "Problem", etc.

But regarding white text: that is just the same as it was before, so I decided to include it too.
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I only say +1 rep if they helped me. If not, i dont give any nor say i do.
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I only say +1 rep if they helped me. If not, i dont give any nor say i do.
But that's not what I'm referring to. Way too many people are asking for help and including things like "Rep+ for helpful posts", or "Rep+ will be rewarded to anyone who helps", or whatever. Some people even include it in their thread titles in hopes of having an even greater chance of receiving help.

But to say "Thank you for helping! Rep+" is ok, I guess. But even that strikes me as wrong because it can be misinterpreted as saying, "See everyone? Unlike others, I give Rep+ to those who helped me.", or whatever. It's also not fun to be a part of a thread where you felt that you were extremely helpful only to have someone else jump in front of you, say the same thing you did only to see the Thread Starter reply to them and say "Thank you! Rep+". It's like "what?! Didn't you even see my post?"

So I feel that OCN needs to make a rule that we simply never discuss the Rep+ at all. Like, EVER (unless it's a discussion like this or something). I mean, I think it should be like the Tip System at restaurants: I would never say to my waiter/waitress, "I'll give you a tip if I like your service". Nor would I ever say "I loved your service, so I left you a tip.". Instead, I think it's better to let all of it simply go without saying. I mean, I think the Rep+ system is no different.

But instead, way too many people treat the Rep+ system in the same way we humans handle Doggie Treats: we use Doggie Treats in order to cause a dog to do what we want it to do. But it doesn't need to be that way with Rep points.
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