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I have the 3mbps package. But my house is out of the 3mbps range, so the highest I can get is 1.5mbps.
I hate to be OT. but isn't 3.0 Mbps still kind of slow?
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guys, its not the cable companies.

there are several companies out there monitoring P2P. They are paid by the RIAA, MPAA, and varous software agencies. Their job is to scan P2P sources and pull IP addresses. Then using the IP addresses they file a complaint with the ISP. If the ISP doesnt take action, whoever the company is acting for has the right to sue them. So, invariably, the ISP takes the IP address from the claim, traces it back to the user, and sends a warning saying if they dont remove the infringing content their service will be suspended. The ISP is trying to save their own hides in court, they could care less what you transfer as long as you arent causing THEM to violate DMCA.

PS we also get 10 Mbps, so 1.5Mbps or even 3 Mbps is definitely slow. I don't think I could handle that.
    
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I have 7mb/512up from time warner(roadrunner) and I download through torrents about 50GB a month and I used to upload through demonoid a lot but I got lazy from that. I never got any sort of warning or slow downs.
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Lucky me in Israel no one gives a crap.
Here the cable company's have no right at all, and even if you AGREE to something in a TOS thats illegal you actually can and most likely will get jailed for cooperating in braking the law in one way or another, cable company's here simply cant spy on me, even if i agree on that lolz
    
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Originally Posted by DJZeratul View Post
guys, its not the cable companies.

there are several companies out there monitoring P2P. They are paid by the RIAA, MPAA, and varous software agencies. Their job is to scan P2P sources and pull IP addresses. Then using the IP addresses they file a complaint with the ISP. If the ISP doesnt take action, whoever the company is acting for has the right to sue them. So, invariably, the ISP takes the IP address from the claim, traces it back to the user, and sends a warning saying if they dont remove the infringing content their service will be suspended. The ISP is trying to save their own hides in court, they could care less what you transfer as long as you arent causing THEM to violate DMCA.

PS we also get 10 Mbps, so 1.5Mbps or even 3 Mbps is definitely slow. I don't think I could handle that.
rep+ very useful information.

But so far I haven't not hear a single case happen to DSL user. Any DSL user ever received such letter?

As far as connection speed. 1.5mbps is fastest DSL money can buy in where I live. Or I could go to Time Warner Cable 7mbps but then I "might" loose some of the connection privilege. I really need to have a better understanding on the scope of this problem b4 I could make a decision on whether not to go cable
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Someone posted a couple of weeks ago a article on editing a torrent program for better connections... there was a link in there regarding different ISPs and what they monitor etc... lemme find it...

EDIT: Found it...

http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs

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Here's a list of Internet service providers (ISPs) that are known to cause trouble for BitTorrent clients or P2P in general and the reason why.
Obviously not a complete list... but gives u something to look at...
    
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Someone posted a couple of weeks ago a article on editing a torrent program for better connections... there was a link in there regarding different ISPs and what they monitor etc... lemme find it...

EDIT: Found it...

http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs



Obviously not a complete list... but gives u something to look at...
Rep+ great find~

However, I wonder when the last time this list has been updated is. Does the new Time Warner Cable set similar P2P limitation to their customers?
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Rep+ great find~

However, I wonder when the last time this list has been updated is. Does the new Time Warner Cable set similar P2P limitation to their customers?
Certainly looks that way... what with their "Packet Shaping Technology"
This is from June, and it apparently "broke" WoW at some point in NYC... not certain if they're still using it... (can't find anything more recent...)

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From Time Warner's Help Desk

TIME WARNER ANNOUNCES INTRODUCTION OF PACKET SHAPING TECHNOLOGY NATIONWIDE

June 6, 2007 -- Time Warner today implemented a network management tool to improve the operation of the network for all subscribers. As a result, a small minority of users may experience slower speeds during peak hours when using certain applications that consume lots of bandwidth. You can address this situation by reducing your use of bandwidth-intensive applications during peak hours. "Peak hours" are generally in the evenings.

"Packet shaping" technology has been implemented for newsgroup applications, regardless of the provider, and all peer-to-peer networks and certain other high bandwidth applications not necessarily limited to audio, video, and voice over IP telephony. Road Runner reserves the right to implement network management tools for other applications in the future.
EDIT: Apparently they're still implementing it, I found someone as recent as Sept. 3 complaining about it on the WoW forums...
    
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guys, its not the cable companies.

there are several companies out there monitoring P2P. They are paid by the RIAA, MPAA, and varous software agencies. Their job is to scan P2P sources and pull IP addresses. Then using the IP addresses they file a complaint with the ISP. If the ISP doesnt take action, whoever the company is acting for has the right to sue them. So, invariably, the ISP takes the IP address from the claim, traces it back to the user, and sends a warning saying if they dont remove the infringing content their service will be suspended.
This is part I am having trouble with. How are those companies (paid by RIAA, MPAA) having a legitimate accessions of particular P2P user violate piracy laws when they were found connected to illegal seed?

For example, they have your IP address on record connected to a illegal file seed. But how can they proof that you know what you are downloading is illegal?

1st. P2P users only have access to a title before the download is completed. The user doesn't know what exactly they are downloading when they initiated the transfer. A person who is interest in reptiles may type "anaconda" in the search bar and start downloading Anaconda (the movie, 1997) with out knowing it is copyrighted movie.

2nd. Many songs and music video have free preview copies and free commercial sponsor copies released by the legitimate publisher (software has demo version too). There is almost no way for user to be sure that a file is legal or not until download is completed.

So, you can hold P2P user liable for connecting to a illegal file seed unless you can "PROOF" they are 100% knowingly downloading a pirated file or kept the file in possession "AFTER" they found out it is pirated.
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This is part I am having trouble with. How are those companies (paid by RIAA, MPAA) having a legitimate accessions of particular P2P user violate piracy laws when they were found connected to illegal seed?

For example, they have your IP address on record connected to a illegal file seed. But how can they proof that you know what you are downloading is illegal?
They operate on the assumption that the police do... ignorance of a law's existence or not knowing that what you are doing is illegal is not an excuse and they have the right to arrest you or cite you for it.

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1st. P2P users only have access to a title before the download is completed. The user doesn't know what exactly they are downloading when they initiated the transfer. A person who is interest in reptiles may type "anaconda" in the search bar and start downloading Anaconda (the movie, 1997) with out knowing it is copyrighted movie.
I speak from personal experience, I received a letter for downloading a "misnamed movie" which was supposedly an independent, legal film being distributed. I downloaded the movie, watched it, and enjoyed it. But somehow, someone who was distributing it had the file name set as "Mission Impossible III, Spanish Version". I was still issued a eltter, and was still required to go through the motions outlined in the DMCA. I had to "delete the offending content and stop the transmission at once". So I did. I deleted the non-existent offending content of the Spanish version of Mission Impossible III by dragging its imaginary filename into the imaginary recycle bin. I then stopped seeding the torrent and continued about my business.

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2nd. Many songs and music video have free preview copies and free commercial sponsor copies released by the legitimate publisher (software has demo version too). There is almost no way for user to be sure that a file is legal or not until download is completed.

So, you can hold P2P user liable for connecting to a illegal file seed unless you can "PROOF" they are 100% knowingly downloading a pirated file or kept the file in possession "AFTER" they found out it is pirated.
Yes. By all respects they are not disconnecting you immediately. Theres a period of time which you have to delete the offending content and stop distributing it. If you don't, the ISP will shut you off, and report back to the P2P Scouting company that the problem has been dealt with. Often all you have to do is call your ISP and say "yeah, it wont happen again, I wasnt sure if it was legal or not, it said it was legal, so I decided to download it, Ive erased it and its no longer on your network" and the ISP will dismiss the claim, report back to the P2P Scouts that its gone, P2P scouts tell their funder that the copyrighted material is no longer being distributed from there, end of story. If your ISP doesn't do ANYTHING, they have a lawsuit on their hands, which almost ALWAYS is going to be directed upon the user.
    
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