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E2180 is the new member from Intel Pentium Dual core 2xxx family. It generates lots attentions recently but how good is it, is it worth to try and does it work well with various brands motherboards? This short article is from another angle to review E2180. It focuses on how E2180 works with motherboards in the current market rather than comparing performance among different type of processors. I hope this unofficial review information is helpful to you. For the begging of this task, development and some screenshots during the past 12 days period, you can visit this link.

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...get-build.html

In past 12 days, I had tested my E2180 on 6 motherboards with Intel P35 and P965 Chipset. The result is quite impressive and speaks itself.

Processor Spec:
Type: Dual-Core
CPU Socket Type: LGA 775
Core Name: Allendale
Clock Speed: 2.0GHz
FSB: 800MHz
Multi: 10
L1 Cache: 32KB+32KB
L2 Cache: 1MB
Manufacturing Tech 65 nm
Voltage 1.162V-1.312V

Test Machine Spec:
Processor: E2180 Batch #: Q713A315
Motherboards:
Intel P35 Chipset
  • Abit IP35-E
  • Asus P5K
  • Gigabyte P35-DS3L
  • MSI P35 Neo
Intel P965 Chipset
  • Asus P5B
  • Gigabyte 965P-DS3
RAM: G.Skill 2X 1GB DDR2-6400 800MHz (4-4-4-12)
Graphics Card: EGV 8600GT 256 MB with Stock speed. Driver version 162.18
Hard Drive: Western Digital RE Sata II 250GB.
PSU: Rosewell PD550 550W
Cooling: Lapped Acrtic cooling Pro 7 with AS5
OS: Window XP 32bit SP2


Test Results
1.Each test starts after clean/reapplies thermal grease and set it run at 3.0G with full load at least 3 hours. Hope this can speed up thermal grease spread across CPU surface.
2.Data in the OC Tested Column means the configuration is stable to run Orthos for at least 4 hours (I was going to do 6 hours but time isn’t permitted because I need to do lots tests), SuperPI (1M), 3Dmark06 and PCMark05.
3.Data In the Max Column means the configuration is able to get in Windows and perform most tasks but failed on one or more tests. This data may be helpful if I have time to look back and figure out what went wrong. This may pushes OC limit to next level. Things like RAM timing.
4.As always CIE, TM2 and EIST had been disabled. PCIE frequency sets to 100.
5.Smart fan feature had been turn off to allow cooler fan operate at max speed.
6.Different manufacturers have their own terminology to describe north bridge, south bridge, cpu voltage and ram voltage etc. I am using the following terms to describe them. NB=North Bridge/MCH/GMCH. SB=South Bridge/ICH. CoreV=Core Voltage. DDRV=RAM Voltage, FSB=FSB/FSB termination Voltage etc. If the number has incremental number option to choose, then it will show +0.xV. Otherwise, it will show 1.xv.
7.Motherboard Abbreviations.
  • Abit IP35E= Abit IP35-E
  • Asus P5K= Asus P5K
  • GA P35=Gigabyte P35-DS3L
  • MSI N2=MSI Neo2
  • Asus P5B=Asus P5B
  • GA-965P=Gigabyte 965P-DS3
8. This is the note for data marked with *8 in the results table below. Each motherboard manual is different. You need to find out what options are available on your current BIOS. Some Abit BIOS use ICHIO and ICH. The data shows ICH/ICHIO if it has ICHIO. Msi BIOS use SBIO/SB Core. The data shows SBCore/SBIO.



Extra Cache
E2180 only have 1MB cache. Does this make a difference when it comes to performance? I saw many reviews on this. I put my E6420 (4MB) and E2180 on the Gigabyte DS3L with same configuration and both run at 3.4G (To be honesty, that’s best My E6420 can reach). Based on 5 times average, the results is only 2% different in the pcmark05 and 2.5% in 3dmark06. So, the extra cache is always good but doesn’t gain too much in this case. However, it may be big factor if you are playing high-end games, doing heavy video, imaging and data processing etc. Unfortunately, I don’t have test environment to prove this so I won’t be able to have further comments on this.

Sweet Spot
You can spend hours or days to figure out the max fsb or push OC to another limit but it seems to me that E2180 performs very well when fsb sets to between 350 and 360. For example, the Asus motherboard, when it runs at 3.5GHz, its idle temp is around 35c and load temp is around 58c. Ram is able to operate at EPP 4-4-4-12 with 4:5 ratio. Most importantly, the vcore is at 1.46v. The average performance is 3.5% less than when it ran at 3.7GHz. In most cases, you won’t tell the difference until you run benchmark softwares. If you stick with budget air cooler, 3.6GHz is the sweet spot.


Conclusion
E2180 has good overcooking potential and clearly a winner for budget build.
It works well with all motherboards especially motherboards with P35 chipset. I was lucky to reach 3.0GHz, which is 50% of stock speed with stock on all motherboards. While many users who own high-end processors are struggling to stable their system at 3.2G and beyond, E2180 really stands out. With high multiplier and potential overcooking, it is a hand down processor for mainstream budget build and may even competes with some high performance systems packed with expensive high-end processors. The bottom line is, with $90 for retail and $80 for OEM version, you have a decent 2.0 GHz core speed and M0 stepping processor. Now, here is the big question you may want to ask. Is E2180 right for me? Well, you need to ask yourself three questions.
1.Is this a budget build?
2.Does the extra cache really matter to me?
3.Do I need to a processor that has good overcooking potential?
If the answer is YNY, then I think E2180 is the way to go.

Notes:
1.I am still an old school guy. I used pen to write down numbers on papers especially when I switch among motherboards. So, some numbers may be incorrect during transfer from papers to the chart. I used white font color and red background to indicate them. In most cases, it is just a digit. For instance, the 3Dmark06 score for GA P35. I could not recognize my own handwriting. It looks 6392 but I think it 6372. I apologize for this sloppy job and appreciate if you can point it out.
2.It needs to time to evaluate the motherboard in order to figure out whether it is good for OC or not. In my case, 10-12 hours including setup and OC aren’t good enough to answer this question. Therefore, the motherboard with lower core speed and benchmark scores doesn’t mean it is bad. And that is the reason why I don't recommend which motherboard is good or not good here.
3.Data shows here are based on my CPU, motherboard and RAM. You may have different set of data if the components are different.
4.This is a type and goes post. You may see some typos or incorrect grammar. I will correct them when time is permitted.
5.I personally own E2160, E2180 and E6420 but will sell them soon to buy a Q6600 to continue some tests. This article intends to shows how E2180 works with most affordable motherboards rather than promoting E2180.
6.Make sure you have good CPU cooler when you push high FSB and increase Core voltage. In some cases, the temperature may reaches +70c.
7.If you do want to try to test multi motherboards, make sure you backup data or use spare hard rive for testing because most likely you need to format and install OS again.
8.You should maintain expectation on the result. As we all know, good combination is the key to have successful OC. Any individual component falls short will impact the result directly especially RAM and PSU.
9.In order to complete this test, I borrowed some components from my buddies and co-workers. I appreciate their supports.
post #2 of 99
Thanks. Makes my overclocking easier.
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linskingdom why do you have 2 numbers for the SB voltage (Abit P35-E)?
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well done, I have heard that the Intel E21xx's were nice little chips. you put some great effort into this project.
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post #5 of 99
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hifisoftware View Post
linskingdom why do you have 2 numbers for the SB voltage (Abit P35-E)?
It is kind of mess on the papers as I switch Mobos around. Based on my best collection, the abit BIOS has voltages for SB. One is ICHIO (SB IO) and one for ICH (SB core).
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Several members emailed me and pointed out some typos. I had updated the post. Thanks for your inputs
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i just bought a e2160 and a 965-s3, this should be a killer,i had the ds3-3.3 and that was a nice mb,this is a f/s rig but ill o/c 2 gig g-skills 120 sata hd 7600gs v-c
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post #8 of 99
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Your E2160 and that mobo should be a good combo. Good luck.
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Based on your information, I was able to OC my E2180 to 3.4G. I ran 10 hours prime95 and it has no problem but I got a black screen whenever I ran Adobe Photoshop. I don’t think it is a temp issue because core temp shows 34c/32c at idle and 51c/52c at load. Any idea?

My settings:
FSB 340
RAM 4-4-4-12 4:5
DDR18 +0.3V
PCI-E: normal
FSB: +0.1v
GMCH:+0.2v
CPU: 1.47v
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Very nice. I really appreciate the efforts.
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