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I used Ubuntu 9.10 with SuperPi to calculate to 32M I got 48.xx when I ran it in Win7 I got 36.xx

I love Ubuntu but I have no idea why Linux got its ass handed to it
Probably because SuperPi is intended to be run on Windows. Running something through Wine does not guarantee or even imply equal performance.
    
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I've been running with two Ubuntu boxes for a few months, and while it is fine for day-to-day use (I don't game - unless FreeCell counts.. lol) I have yet to find an easy way for it to Fold with GPUs.. Added to the fact that others who would use my machines would not understand how to use it, and that I'm running a W2k3 Domain at home (and I have yet to find out how to join Linux to it) they would need to have their own accounts created on each box it runs on....
I have currently got 9 boxes in the house, including two servers, and I'm looking to build an i7 rig in the next month or so....


I'm going to be installing a Linux on the i7 when I get the parts in, but that's most likely to be in a VM environment and the host will be W7..
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I used Ubuntu 9.10 with SuperPi to calculate to 32M I got 48.xx when I ran it in Win7 I got 36.xx

I love Ubuntu but I have no idea why Linux got its ass handed to it
Trying to compare Windows to Linux with benchmarks is fine as long as you recall that Linux is a kernel, not an operating system, there are hundreds of generic Linux kernels and literally millions of possible vatiations since, unlike Windowa (less than 20 kernels in all since it's inception) it is highly customizable and each will bench differently. Also programs can be compiled for specific CPU types, further adding to already numerous variables.

Arsin did not post sufficient data to properly compare. In trying to replicate/test his results I assumed he used his "stuck with PC" so I booted up a similar old Dell P4 1.8GHz w/ 768M Rambus ram alternately with Win 7 Ultimate and Slackware 13 with it's initial default (ultra compatible) kernel called "kernel-huge-smp-2.6.29.6_smp-i686" since it is over 5 megs huge. For comparison my Slack 13 install on this box (Demon 64) is a custom kernel that is under 2 Megs. It's a lot faster than the huge smp kernel.

While a Super_Pi build is available for Linux (and Mac) I dont know if there is any substantial difference between 1.1 for windows and 1.5 for Mac/Linux, however at under 50 kilobytes for either it is simplicity itself and likely to be very similar if not essentially identical.

I really don't understand Arsin's results since the first numbers are similar but they are for initialization. Initialization on Win 7 for the Dell was 69 seconds. Initialization on Slack w/ huge kernel was 61 seconds.


There was some difficulty setting up similar iterations since Win 7 has a graphic frontend allowing only a selection of simplified, predetermined runs ie: 32M. The Linux version is CLI and requires one to type in calculation depth and the largest is roughly 33.6M (that's not 32 x 1.024) which is what I ran. Even with this slight disadvantage for Linux, while Win 7 completed it's 32M iteration in 246 seconds, Slack finished in 121 seconds. That's hardly Linux getting it's ass handed to it.

Please re-run your results or post more data.
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I've been running with two Ubuntu boxes for a few months, and while it is fine for day-to-day use (I don't game - unless FreeCell counts.. lol) I have yet to find an easy way for it to Fold with GPUs.. Added to the fact that others who would use my machines would not understand how to use it, and that I'm running a W2k3 Domain at home (and I have yet to find out how to join Linux to it) they would need to have their own accounts created on each box it runs on....
I have currently got 9 boxes in the house, including two servers, and I'm looking to build an i7 rig in the next month or so....




I'm going to be installing a Linux on the i7 when I get the parts in, but that's most likely to be in a VM environment and the host will be W7..
Before I begin with more serious stuff, I have to say I find it suspicious and comical that Freecell, which I still dearly love too, after no essential changes since Windows 3, now behaves exactly like it's Linux clone, Patience - Freecell. Now one must actually drag cards but the best copied feature is more the way in which the number of movable cards is computed. It's always bugged me that the win version did not allow for multiple open columns. Fixed now, apparently thanks to the Open Source community.

While I firmly agree that Linux requires knowledge to setup, it has not been my experience that windoze folks, even relative newbs, have problems running it, especially if using KDE in Linux. Not only was KDE originally designed for windows migrators but even XP, and especially Vista and Win 7 have copied much of the Linux interface, so they're closer than ever. If you need to network Linux w/ Windoze, see Samba which emulates doze style workgroups.

If you must virtualize why not use the higher performance more stable Linux as host and run the free VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/ ? It already supports Win 7 (as well as W2K, obvioualy) as guest system. If you're already comfortable enough w/ Linux for day to day use why not make the break and get out from under the thumb of MS? Muscles used grow stronger than those allowed to idle.
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From Vista to Ubuntu... then Slackware, Arch, OpenSUSE, Debian, sidux... finally back to Ubuntu 9.10, it simply installs and works... <3 the Koala!
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Aside from the inherent instability of using a rolling release, I might even recommend using Arch over Ubuntu for a few quick reasons:

A) When you use Ubuntu you just expect things to work and when they don't its been my experience that the documentation may not be quite up to par with other distro's because "everyone expects it to work anyway"

However, when you use Arch, you are expected to set things up on your own so the documentation is quite fantastic and problems that arise are almost always well-documented in advance.

B) Which brings me to my next point: wiki.archlinux.org. What an awesome website. They provide step-by-step instructions for doing nearly everything in Arch. If you are mature enough to read the documentation, you will be pleasantly surprised with Arch.

C) Bleeding Edge. This is a double edge sword. Because Arch is a rolling release you always get the latest and greatest updates for linux, however, unlike Debian where updates are thoroughly tested to death for compatibility, all these new updates will occasionally break things--the main reason you might want to know a little something about linux before using Arch. However, as long as you use your brain and dont update randomly and do a bit of reading before pulling the trigger on your update, you can usually find out the problems people are experiencing ahead of time and then choose to update accordingly.

D) Small and fast. Arch is blindingly fast. There isn't any bloat because you get to decide what you want, when you want, and where you want it. If you think Ubuntu is customizable, then you will have a heart-attack when you move into the Arch scene. I use Arch on my little netbook, 2gb ram, 1.66Ghz Atom and I use my netbook for everything! Generally speaking, I use less than 15% of my RAM for everyday activities--usually far less than 15%. I can program (with Eclipse), compile programs easily, view/edit all Microsoft documents (with OpenOffice, which even my wife prefers now and shes a Windows 7 user!), watch videos in HD, surf the web, basically all the general computing tasks, on my little netbook using Arch and to top it off, I can generally do those things just as fast as an average windows user whose using a computer with twice the power. (Note on Ubuntu: Ubuntu isn't nearly as small and fast, and yes, I refer even to the Ubuntu minimal install).

If you have the patience and are willing to actually read a manual, then Arch Linux just might be the distro that will change your perception of Linux--especially in the netbook world its been fantastic! Just a STRONG REMINDER: to be successful in Arch it takes patience, reading (lots of reading) and dedication, but I promise you when everything finally comes together and you reach that "aha" moment, you wont want to look back.

Disclaimer: (This obviously doesn't include gaming, because, yes, we all know that there are very few software titles that are natively compatible with Linux. If there were, Windows would in a very bad place.
Edited by naval8viation - 2/7/10 at 7:30pm
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Before I begin with more serious stuff, I have to say I find it suspicious and comical that Freecell, which I still dearly love too, after no essential changes since Windows 3, now behaves exactly like it's Linux clone, Patience - Freecell. Now one must actually drag cards but the best copied feature is more the way in which the number of movable cards is computed. It's always bugged me that the win version did not allow for multiple open columns. Fixed now, apparently thanks to the Open Source community.

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If you must virtualize why not use the higher performance more stable Linux as host and run the free VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/ ? It already supports Win 7 (as well as W2K, obvioualy) as guest system. If you're already comfortable enough w/ Linux for day to day use why not make the break and get out from under the thumb of MS? Muscles used grow stronger than those allowed to idle.
Best Wishes
Jimmy
I would prolly be setting the i7 up as a multi-boot box, with M$ and Ubuntu (not forgetting to allow extra space for more partitions, as I might also allow another OS/kernel to camp out on there too) and have the W7 OS running Ubuntu as a VM, and the Ubuntu running M$ as a VM...

If I get the job I had an interphew with today, then I might well start using Linux more often too...
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OK this may be old news to some but I'm guessing some peeps here who love games and find that a deal breaker for Linux hust may not know about Loki. Lokigames http://www.lokigames.com , afaik the only attempt at commerical gaming via actual porting from Windows for Linux is now and has been out of biz for quite some time. However as is often so in the Open Source community, they still make their development tools and installers available for free download, useful for numerous things and also still make many good games playable in Linux.

A list of originally supported games can be found at the home site (above) or the wiki here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki_Software and as you can see some of the games are still quite cool. An updated list with newer games can be found here at one of the mirrors http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6

Any real gamer knows many old games are still cool and fun to play because they just have great storyline and gameplay otherwise nobody would be interested in old Sega, Nintendo, and Playstation titles let alone LAME arcade game emulators which incidentaly runs fine in Linux too.

I can personally attest to the decent quality of Rune, Soldier of Fortune I and II. and Heretic. I still enjoy Quake III Arena (and extremely low lag makes it especially fun online) and while I rarely play it anymore if you've never played Tribes 2 you should try it. I'm not a huge RPG fan but even I know Sid Meier is a monster game developer. Check em out.

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Try Kubuntu. It's Ubuntu w/ KDE.
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If you really want games on Linux there is wine and a few variations like wine-doors, but performance suffers a lot. Then there is the commercial platform Cedega, but they are basically just a hyped up hack of wine and in my experience, while the games are playable, its not nearly as good as using the native OS. But this has already been thoroughly addressed: Windows is superior, by default, for playing games--no fault of Linux, but thats where it ends. Otherwise learn to use Linux and don't look back.
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