Originally Posted by Arrowslinger
Why does it seem "some" not all, other OS fans always seem to hint in some way or other that Microsoft is:
2. Have customers because most users are dumb
3. Microsoft uses its monopoly to crush competition
4. If the first three fail we fall to "its bloated and buggy"
We "geeks", "techs", "PC junkies" have a tendency to think that just because we can manually set up a network everyone else can too. Microsoft makes a product that does what everyone needs it to and they keep the market cornered because of it. The 80% that still use IE use it because they don't believe they have the technical skills to use firefox. Again I am not knocking the other products but lacks in taste to rail on the major competitor to try and hammer a point.
!?!? Firstly WHAT technical skill !?!? If you can't install and click on Firefox, you are not a geek, techie or PC junkie. Such a person needs to go down to the store on the 3rd aisle and buy a clue. Just sayin... try it. Get some skilz.
The subject of good and fair business practices, let alone good vs/ evil, is far too complicated a subject to get deeply into on a forum. To keep it simpler let me use an example of Olympic snowboarder Shaun White
. Let me start off by saying that I choose to believe what I see that he is just head and shoulders above the competition because of the combination of good genes, ambition, and extreme hard work, among other positive attributes.
Any of you that have seen his Gold Medal winning 1st run or even his victory run !YEAH!
in which he ended with a dangerous trick that nobody else can do yet even when he didn't have to since "it was already in the bag" can see why he is so compelling and believable.
However if it turned out he had offered a million dollars to some better competitor to stay out of the competition, that wouldn't be evil, just a little compromizing and probably disappointing..
If instead he had spent a million dollars to use private detectives to dig up dirt, and writers to spin it so that he could claim the guy's Dad was a "possibly a pedophile" and his Mom was a drug addict "hooked on alcohol and anti-depressants" and just maybe the competing athlete's integrity is questionable since "the apple can't fall too far from the tree" to get him disqualified, that might not be exactly evil, just sleazy and unfair
OTOH if Shaun had "accidentally" dropped a 10 kilo barbell on the guys foot during qualification runs or cracked the guys board or hired some guy to beat him with a baton (oh wait... that's been done.. see Nancy Kerrigan) at the very least it should dampen your enthusiasm since that's skirting pretty close to evil, if not right on the mark.
However if the rules of Olympic Snowboarding get changed to resemble "professional wrestling" where it's expected to hit opponents over the head with chairs, or drop barbells on feet, it becomes more cloudy again. It would be fair and legal but it would lose something for me and I would probably not watch it or care.
So I'm not claiming that Microsoft is even unethical, let alone evil, since apparently the rules of that game allow for moneyed interests to buy favorable legislation and spread viscious, untrue rumors about the competition, (witness Rupert Murdoch and his Fox News) but the fact remains that they have indeed done these things and I'm not talking about "buyouts". Just look up the DOJ case or the practise of pricing Windows, not by how many copies OEMs buy, but rather how many processors they sell in total. That way, Windows is already paid for in effect so why increase costs by employing a competitors OpSys? Not evil, maybe not illegal, but certainly sleazy and unfair. We needn't even talk about the FUD and outright lies.
Henry Ford was similar and far more despicable in some ways, but I have owned many Ford automobiles, especially when they were made so a shadetree mechanic could fairly easily fix or modify them. So I'm not talking down. I'm guilty, too. In my defense, Henry Ford was dead and no longer funding Nazis by the time I was of age to drive. Had he been alive and had I known he supported racism and nazism, I'd like to believe that I would refuse to buy his product and be a part of the support for such behaviour.
As for "dumb", it should be clear that it is perfectly OK to design things to be used by customers ignorant of how that thing works. Most cars assume drivers haven't a clue beyond turn the key, put in "Drive" and step on the right pedal, oh yeah,and use the steering wheel. I can't begin to recreate an IPod. So I don't have any problem with M$ creating a system for dummies too busy or too lazy to take control of their own PC.
It may be pandering to the lowest common denominator but that's just good business, right?
If that's what you desire or need that's fine with me, but I ask you to just open up Explorer on your fabulous Win 7 install and count how many directories you can't even see, even with "full administrator privileges" EVEN if you hack the registry to grant full rights to admin account. Then ask yourself who really owns your PC?
More importantly, Lattyware in creating this thread, simply and nobly invited people to try Linux to see for themselves and has offered help if someone has troube... all for free.. Look through the 100+ pages and see just how many posts from *users* not even M$ employees have been offended by this and spread Fear Uncertainty and Doubt about Linux and championed Windows.
Look, it's cool if you buy a Saturn. You can even convince yourself it's as good as a Cadillac if you want to. Just please refrain from trying to deceive others that it's really a Ferrari or more importantly dissuade them from building a kit car. Don't hand me feces and try to convince me it's chocolate.
1) M$ is not evil, just a sleazy bully, sometimes
2) Yup! It's in their interest to keep you dumb and buying their expertise.
3) Absolutely. Fact and in historical record.
4) In order to do everything for everybody and support almost all hardware it HAS to be bloated.
Flip side, given all that it is an amazing accomplishment that it is sometimes as good as it is. Just know what you're getting and supporting.... and try Linux. If this years model doesn't work for you try next years. It's progressing rapidly. Plus it keeps Windows on it's toes. Win/Win for everyone.
Here's a new challenge for anyone so inclined. Go to any forum and post "Linux is great for power users who want to own their PCs inside and out!". That's all...don't say anything bad about anyone or anything. In a month or two graph out the number of posts that are positive vs/ the number from windoze defenders who are offended by such a simple statement. Then post "Windows is great for those who don't care to know how a PC works, but just want to use it productively" Compare the number of negatives.
Keep it real
JimmyEdited by enorbet2 - 2/18/10 at 1:20pm