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It's problem was "seeing" the NIC
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Hello The Artist (btw I am as well)

I hope I'm not telling you something sp trivial everyone here already knows it but one really cool thing about "hot rods" (like Linux, originally hand-built by hackers for hackers) is that they have lots of "gauges", or in Linux's case various kinds of logs and documentation, built right in, no google required. One beautiful thing about the linux kernel is even if your distro displays some graphic to hide the nuts 'n bolts or if you don't use framebuffer to increase resolution of boot up text so that it flies by way too fast, just take a gander in "/var/log".

There you will find many logs although they may differ slightly by distro some are always present. For example since I use Slackware most I'll use it, "/var/log/messages" is a text file that not every distro has perhaps because it pretty much duplicates "dmesg" albeit in text form. Dmesg is accessed as a command, usually in a terminal, and often accompaniied by one or more switches to alter how it displays.

"#dmesg |more" delivers one pages worth and pauses, waiting for you to strike one of several keys to proceed by the line or by the page.

I won't go into detail about the "less", "more". and "tail" switches other than to point out (slightly off topic) that "tail" is particularly useful for hot pluggable hardware like USB, eSATA, and Firewire devices since it prints out only the "tail" end of dmesg which after installing a hot pluggable device is where that pertinent info should be found with no need to go over what hardware was discovered and it's disposition that occurred during boot.

It is worth looking around in /var/log as their are logs specific to XWindows and also nVidia places logs there as well. Also on some systems "lspci" and especially "cat proc" are commands that are very powerful at deriving and displaying information about your hardware. Some, not all as GUI is limited in flexibility compared to command line, of this data is available via GUI such as in KDE w/ "kinfocenter" a subset for hardware inside of "Control Center". Puppy has other names but does exactly the same thing, give a graphic face for these commands, usually somewhere in the "System" menu, iirc.

I don't want to scare anyone away with too much talk about possibilities, especially with CLI, just know that Linux is incredibly powerful if you learn to ask the right questions. For now I invite "the artist" and anyone else with hardware issues, to just open a terminal or if in KDE, Konsole, whatever, and simply type "dmesg". You don't need to worry about any switches if you don't want to get even mildly complicated because, unlike DOS, terminals in XWindows scroll (in strictly CLI they still Page Up and Page Down) so you can see everything. Some of it will make little sense but a good deal will make sense to even the rawest newb as you'll see your various hardware items get discovered, tested, and dealt with.

In "the artist" s case I am quite certain you will at least see your wireless chipset identified and possibly any warnings or difficulties the kernel has in loading a driver/module for it. Nothing gives you info or control over your hardware on such deep levels as linux, and still it is imposible to break hardware from the command line. The worst you can do is lose data and that is impossible on a LiveCD OpSys like Puppy, since all changeable data is on ramdrive.

Ultimately, the reason it takes a little while to learn Linux is because it can do so much more than any other OS. If you want to really "own yer box" instead of being some sort of lesee or guest, you're on the right path exploring Linux.

Jimmy
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OK, just rewrote the entire post.

Just thought it could do with some improvement.
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Nice job on the rewrite.

You covered all the major points of why I like Linux. But another major thing I like about Linux is the low system requirements and the ability to install on older systems. For example I have Arch Linux installed on a P3 700mhz system with Compiz fully enabled.
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well i took the linux challenge before this thread was started. right now im having problems with getting wifi and a wired nic to work on my laptop but if you just take some time you can figure anything out. i even fixed grub for the first time the other day and i always thought that it was to hard for me to figure out but it was actually easy.

i recommend linux to every one out there. even if you dual boot and only use linux to surf the net. but you can also use a linux live cd to recover files from a hdd with a corrupt os which is nice.

and if your into computers then nothing feels better then finally figuring something out that was giving you problems.
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I've been trying to get openSUSE 11 to see my wi-fi. I made a thread about it but nothing anyone suggested works. It sees the card but won't see the broadcasting signal, or ANY signal at all. Ethernet works but wireless does not. It's frustrating as hell because my girlfriend wants to use it on a laptop but if it's wireless isn't going to work she won't use it.
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Yeah, I figured I would try Linux, so I tried it.

I couldn't even get past the installation. GG.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Semper Fidelis View Post
Yeah, I figured I would try Linux, so I tried it.

I couldn't even get past the installation. GG.
what distro did you try?

I couldn't get past the installation of Arch64, but i use ubuntu every day.
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Ubuntu 8.04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Semper Fidelis View Post
Ubuntu 8.04
Did you have a specific problem?

Because, no offense, but if you couldn't do it and it all went normally, you'd have to not be able to find the 'next' button or something. It's rediculously easy.
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