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In Reply to Thuissats comment about showing him a supercomputer running XP or Vista....duh...neither one of those were designed for a supercomputer, and I highly doubt the you would find Ubuntu running on one either.......
    
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I was first introduced to Unix/Linux almost 15 years ago when I was in the Navy and I thought it was the best thing since gravy. In your the last post it was mentioned about the number of programmers etc. that are working on Unix and its' VARIANTS, here in lies the problem. There are way to may different flavors, variants, differences for there to be any decent work done to to get the OS to a point were it could even be considered a contender for an everyday desktop OS. Believe me, if there was even 10% to the available programs/games/etc ported to Linux, I would be a permanent convert. But I don't think that day will ever come so I will continue to use the Windows OS. Thank you.
This is a mistunderstanding of how Linux and it's Distros work.
Programmers work on projects. The Linux Kernel, Gnome, KDE, Amarok, etc... each Distro includes these projects. Work gets done and it affects every distro. Distros are not independant, but a collection of other things, and when one benefits, so do the others. There are plenty of high-grade applications for Linux, games are more lacking.

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Linux is the absolute best server made, but in my opinion, as far as the Linux desktop, it has too many unsupported variances, such as gaming. It has its plus, but there are too many minus debits to make it a mainstream desktop OS. If as said previously, it were an OS that was mainstream many years ago. People would be comfortable with it, but as it is...things are not made for Linux...it is just an afterthought. And with that being true, it will not get the support, or the development effort that would be required to make it a primary OS for the masses. For gaming, for graphic applications and so forth.
There are a few things that Linux can't do. Mainly gaming, and a few speciality applications.

Most people don't game on their PC, and most people don't use Photoshop (or if they do, they'd be fine with the GIMP).

Don't get me wrong. I understand some people need to run software that only works under Windows, but the majority of people don't, and if they do, dual booting, WINE and emulation are viable options.

You two also totally missed the point of the post which was to try Linux (an up to date version, now) and comment on it, not spout reasons on why you think you shouldn't bother.
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I have tried Linux on many occasions, Red Hat, Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS. Heck, I have an old P3 system in my basement running PCLinuxOS just Folding, slowly, but folding all the same. VMWare player with Ubuntu 7.10 desktop is running consistently on my sig-rig with the Linux SMP folding client, so I do use Linux and I am not anti-Linux. It is just that Linux is not "Easy" for the average user/general public to get setup and operational. I worked for 5 days straight to get Ubuntu to recognize the wireless adapter in my Dell Inspirion, it never happened. Please keep in mind that I am in no way, form, or fashion a Linux super user, I would barely qualify as a novice, but I have been in the PC business for many years and if Linux was as "Easy" for the average person to use as Windows (yes even Vista!), I would use it on all my systems. But I know that my wife and kids would never figure out how to do some of the basic things. Then there is the talk of the apps and using WINE, etc. I don't want to/ shouldn't have to resort to using 3rd party apps to make other apps work. Dual boot, just another pain!
An if Linux is the "Wave of the Future", how come more games don't come out in Linux versions?
At this point in my life, and many others will agree with me, simpler is getter and Linux is not simple. Sorry, but I have given Linux its shot and in my opinion, it is still second fiddle to Windows OS, even Vista.
    
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sorry guys linux is simple. i can have a fully functional os in 20 minutes and just a couple minutes if i use the live cd. that live cd is awesome. no pulling a drive from a computer and slaving it to another just to recover files.

also my wife installed ubuntu on here own and all she does on a computer is surf the net and IM and has no pc knowledge at all so if you cant figure out how to install ubuntu then i dont know how you can install windows or even use a computer at all.

and saying that linux OS's arnt viable because there are no games is just lame. there is more in life then just gaming and i would love to pay $100 less for a computer with out windows because gaming is only about 2% of what i do on my pc so windows is a waste of money for me

i will agree though that there are some hardware issues but it only seams to be wifi nics that have the most problems.
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so if you cant figure out how to install ubuntu then i dont know how you can install windows or even use a computer at all.
QFT. Out of the 3 big OSs, Ubuntu is hands down the easiest to install.
    
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As soon as wine doesn't suck. I'll be all linux.
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QFT. Out of the 3 big OSs, Ubuntu is hands down the easiest to install.

i remember when i was using an ubuntu live CD to recover files from a dead pc at work, and even the employees could use it well, some of them still don't know the basics of xp
     
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QFT. Out of the 3 big OSs, Ubuntu is hands down the easiest to install.
Yeah, well it is hard for me to see that when it took Vista 20 minutes to install and Ubuntu never did install. Sure, if you want to actually take the time to investigate your problem... all the power to you.

But since installing is the easiest part and I couldn't get that to work, I can't even fathom how much of a pain the actual OS will be.

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and saying that linux OS's arnt viable because there are no games is just lame. there is more in life then just gaming and i would love to pay $100 less for a computer with out windows because gaming is only about 2% of what i do on my pc so windows is a waste of money for me
You have PC gamers, graphic artists, video editors, and pretty much every major company with a computer network using Windows. Sure, they may use it for server applications, but not in the office on all the computers their employees work on. The companies won't ever switch because they have people hired that are trained in Windows, so they won't know what to do at all when using Linux.

That is a big population, and they all won't be able to use Linux. Sure, you may have the occasional granny that has her PC just for internet and email. But most people do at least one of the above. So, since Linux has no native support, not emulation, but native support for that stuff... then nobody is going to use it. So, until they do support it... why must you keep arguing this failed argument all the time?
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Your post is uninformed rubbish.

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Yeah, well it is hard for me to see that when it took Vista 20 minutes to install and Ubuntu never did install. Sure, if you want to actually take the time to investigate your problem... all the power to you.
Most people manage to install Ubuntu fine. If you had a problem, tell us what it was, and maybe we can shed light on the issue.

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But since installing is the easiest part and I couldn't get that to work, I can't even fathom how much of a pain the actual OS will be.
Most people manage the installation easily. You are drawing this conclusion without actually having tried it.

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You have PC gamers, graphic artists, video editors, and pretty much every major company with a computer network using Windows. Sure, they may use it for server applications, but not in the office on all the computers their employees work on.
Yeah that's not true. Plenty of companies, governments, etc... run Linux on all of their computers.

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The companies won't ever switch because they have people hired that are trained in Windows, so they won't know what to do at all. Plus, I highly doubt that Linux can give them the same support that Microsoft can.
Linux isn't hard to use, plenty of companies use it. Linux isn't a company, A company like Canonical, Red Hat, Novell, etc... can give them far better support than M$ can.

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That is a big population, and they all won't be able to use Linux. Sure, you may have the occasional granny that has her PC just for internet and email. But most people do at least one of the above. So, since Linux has no native support, not emulation, but native support for that stuff... then nobody is going to use it. So, until they do support it... why must you keep arguing this failed argument all the time?
Because you are wrong, for 99% of tasks, there is Linux software to do it. No, you can't be a proffesional graphics artist and use Linux really, as Photoshop is necesary, no you can't really Game under Linux, no you can't really do professional video editing, but beyond that, there is little Linux can't do - and it can do more than windows in a lot of areas too.

If you are just editing graphics or pictures for anything other than proffesional print, you can do it in the GIMP, which is better than basically everything except for Photoshop, including Photoshop elements. I can mock up web designs perfectly well in the GIMP. I can also edit videos with Kino. Sure, it's not as powerful as Final Cut, but it's perfectly usable.

You have not used Linux, you have said so yourself - so this is all based on stuff you have heard wrongly, or presumed wrongly. The whole point of this thread was to try it and talk about your experience, good job for missing that one.
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Most people manage to install Ubuntu fine. If you had a problem, tell us what it was, and maybe we can shed light on the issue.
The problem was that I couldn't install it. Some stupid thing kept coming up called like Busy Box or something and I could never get into the installer.

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Most people manage the installation easily. You are drawing this conclusion without actually having tried it.
No, you are drawing the conclusion that I haven't tried it. I used it once back when 7.04 was out, and it was a overall nightmare to get everything working right. At least I only had to reinstall that version like 4 times to get it working right. With the 8.04 version I had to install and reinstall it like 11 times taking up almost a full day of my time. I managed to get it booted up one time, but then after I installed my Nvidia drivers it would not boot again.
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