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64-bit Vista is a bit more efficient, it lets you use 4gb RAM, and it does curb bad drivers.
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Will take it into consideration

Are there any noticable differences between 32bit vs 64bit operating systems? (I use 32bitVista Home Basic on my laptop)
i use winxp pro 32 bit at work and xp pro 64 bit at home. i can't tell much of a difference. load times/boot times are a tad bit faster on my 64 bit machine.

as far as vista, iono. as stated above i know that vista 64bit drivers have to be digitally signed or they won't work.
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64-bit Vista is a bit more efficient, it lets you use 4gb RAM, and it does curb bad drivers.
Cheers Any reason why I should not go 64bit?
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No, tho the XP fanbois will spout off a ton of them. All your hardware is Vista supported. The only iffy part is the Audigy, but that's on Creative, not Microsoft.


Also, Vista actually pre-packages an nForce 4 driver, among other things. It's pretty nice, actually.


My suggestion is to get your mitts on Server 2008, tho. Same kernal, same drivers, Aero can be installed from the disc, but half the overhead.
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No, tho the XP fanbois will spout off a ton of them. All your hardware is Vista supported. The only iffy part is the Audigy, but that's on Creative, not Microsoft.


Also, Vista actually pre-packages an nForce 4 driver, among other things. It's pretty nice, actually.


My suggestion is to get your mitts on Server 2008, tho. Same kernal, same drivers, Aero can be installed from the disc, but half the overhead.
lol im sure they would

Personally I had my doubts about the soundcard, which is a shame as its reasonably good card. Trust Creative to force a hardware upgrade for vista users...
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I love my rig on 64 bit vista, even though I only have 2 gigs, though I think I'll be acquiring the other 2 from blitz soon.
 
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Omega-death-post coming. Before I go further, I will say off-site roster is falling out of date. Do not worry, I have you all listed to be updated, I just have not updated yet. (N2Gaming: new speed. Mudd: joined 12/13. BlackOmega: new speed.* TestECull: new speed. Pioneerisloud: 2.9+ GHz S&M stable speed. Evil Eddie: new speed. NITRO1250: nostalgic joined 12/15.) That said:

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Ah, I thought you ended up getting them sold. One thing I noticed, the part number is 991492 on the one's I have, and on newegg the single 1gb stick is 991492 and rated at 3-3-2-7 instead of what the 2x1gb sticks show (3-3-2-8). I may have to try those timings out .
Nope; not sold. Just PM me if you still wanted them, I will give you the same price.

When using an odd number of DIMMs, it is 3-3-2-7. When using an even number of DIMMs, it is 3-3-2-8. This is likely due to the difference in load on the IMC for dual-channel versus single-channel mode.

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and if it wasnt for this forum i'd still be using my 1.75gigs of ram and not understanding why it aint helping none.
Now if only we can get you up to 2 GB. 4x512 is not as good as 2x1024, but it is better than a single gigabyte.

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Well evidently everyone here is in their own little click or something , since ive asked several questions / opinions here over the past few weeks and for some reason my posts just get passed over .... Maybe cause im the new guy on the block or something .... Well anyway , I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday , ill be moving on to try and find another forum somewhere where theres alittle more interaction ......
Sorry you feel that way Majakone, I do not mean to seem that way. I however have been out of town, and am only getting on here once every other day or so. When I get home in January, I will be much more posty.

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Sorry man, I didnt see your post eariler.

As for what RAM to keep? Keep the one that works the best of course. Id say which ever set OC's the highest/best. Like with my Kingston Hyperx (4x512) I can run my board up higher than the corsair XMS I have which is only single channel. Granted, I can run the XMS @ 1T though. So your question is a tough one to answer really.

I think another reason people didnt answer you is there just wasnt very many people on today. I just kept thinkin, where the hell is everybody?

Hope you dont leave bro.
Run Everest Ultimate Bandwidth test. That will tell you which RAM is the best to run.

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Well guys I just bought yet another mobo, my wife is gonna think Im , lol.
Check this board out.

Goin crossfire this time
*Dies laughing.* Good luck with that BlackOmega, that board made Txtmstrjoe go crazier in the head.

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Damn. Ok, here's what happened. I decided to try 2.65ghz again and this time I tried many combinations. What seemed to help most, oddly, was upping the vcore to 1.5v. I tried upping the nb/sb to 1.68 but all my computer would do at best was run windows for a good 2-5 minutes, then lock. I tried setting my divi down to 166:200, and even loosened my timings. Without the upped vcore though, i wouldn't get past the windows vista loading screen (like xp w/ the green bar running across).
I think you mean 200:166, but whatever. Why is increasing your VCore to 1.500 V odd? That is the standard Modus Operandi for overclocking.

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I really couldnt pass it up though, $40 shipped and after looking at which chips are on the board, I was like HOLY @*#$, its the same as a A8R32MVP!!!! So I jumped on it, Im surprised it lasted as long as it did. Seems like everybody just wants SLI these days and has no clue about crossfire.
It is not quite the same. A8R32MVP is a great board to work with: very user friendly. As for UT CFX3200-DR, it is a TERRIBLE board to the user. You WILL start having bald patches in your head from where you pulled the hair out.

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I hate reinstalling the OS, formatting the drive takes for freakin ever
I think part of the problem is Nvidia stopped updating their ULi drivers. Hell the new ones they have out now dont even support SLI, so if you have a ULi SLI board you're S.O.L. I emailed nvidia tech support to make sure.

. . .

On a completely different topic, is PCI-e 2.0 double the bandwidth of 1.0?
MOST ULi chips found their way onto ATI chipsetted boards. This is why they likely canned support.

. . .

Yes. PCI-E 2.0 is double the bandwidth of PCI-E 1.1. PCI-E 2.0 8x = PCI-E 1.1 16x = 32,000 Mbps (4,000 MBps) et cetera. (On the other hand, PCI-E 1.1 8x is a fuzz slower than AGP, that is, 2000 MBps versus 2133 MBps.)

As for power, both are the same. 75 W standard but occasionally configurable to higher wattage.

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Originally Posted by MjrTom View Post
Hey guys,

I would like your opinions on installing 4GB of RAM in my system. I have just purchased off ebay an additional 2x1GB of Mushkin Redline XP4000.

I am aware that 32bit XP only addresses ~3.5GB of system RAM.

Any other "issues" you think i may encounter?

I intend on upgrading to 64bit Vista in the near future.

Any comments more than welcome!
With an AGP board and an HD 3850 512 MB, I had access to 3.50 GB. When I swapped to a PCI-E board with an HD 3850 512 MB, it fell to 3.25 GB. I had no problems running 4 GB of Mushkin Redlines.

HOWEVER, as TestECull said:
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Watch your ram speeds. Your memory controller will want to default to DDR333, you might need to force it to run faster.
Your RAM will drop to the DDR 333 divider. Any attempts to make it DDR 400 will make the system unable to POST regardless of what voltages you give anywhere. This does not preclude DDR 400, just the 200:200 divider. I ran my Redlines at DDR 400 (HTT = 255 @ 200:166), 2-3-2-5-2T-7-11.

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Hey thanks for the comments.

I heard things along those lines, I heard that they struggle to keep 1T Timings and default to 2T.

Will keep an eye out

Will it destabilise my overclock at all?
Absolutely. You cannot run 1T timings with four DIMMs unless you are running something like the 200:100 divider. It will also require you to restart your overclock anew.

To get 4 GB much over DDR 450, you will likely need a DFI board. Asus has enough tweaks to slightly pass that wall, DFI has enough tweaks to bust that barrier right open. (Gigabyte does not, nor does Abit.)

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Originally Posted by mudd View Post
tomtomtom. i wouldn't suggest putting 4 sticks of memory in an s939 overclock. it'll mess w/ your ram settings. now if you clock your ram down i wouldn't see the big deal with it, but you'd have to run 3-3-3-8 2t or something along those lines due to the s939 memory controller. so i'd suggest you either get 2 x 2gb chips, or just stick w/ 2 gigs and wait for an upgrade in the future. worse thing that would happen is your overclock would go squirrely w/ 4 ram chips and you'd have to go back.
The only way to put 2x2048 into a Socket 939 is if you use an Opteron and use EEC unbuffered RAM. I ran 4x1024 personally and it worked great in Windows Vista Ultimate 64x. It did pretty darned good in XP Home 32x. (Remember to put the 4 GB patch into Vista or it will do nothing but crash.)

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Originally Posted by NITRO1250 View Post
Add me. My parents are still using my socket 939 rig.

AMD 3700+ 64bit 2.2ghz w/ ASUS A8N SLI Premium 939 mobo

Still kicking like day one!
If you have a CPU-Z validation link, we can add that. If not, you will be text-only in the Nostalgia section.

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No, tho the XP fanbois will spout off a ton of them. All your hardware is Vista supported. The only iffy part is the Audigy, but that's on Creative, not Microsoft.
I am using the Daniel_K driver. I miss the Creative XP drivers. The Daniel_K Vista driver works better than the Creative Vista driver, but sucks compared to the XP support.

*I have a validation link for 3003 MHz and screenshot for 3025 MHz. Can we get a validation link for 3025 MHz?
     
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Hey thanks for the info.

I do infact have a DFI motherboard (DFI-SLI-D) hopefully all those extra tweaks available will be put to good use, or likely become a headache...

Just need to wait for the delivery of the Redline modules from the States now...
Edited by MjrTom - 12/15/08 at 8:24am
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TestE, roster updated per your request. Thanks again for the gentle reminder.

MjrTom, I wish I had experience when it comes to fiddling with 4GB of RAM, but I don't. Thankfully, we've got pio who has got solid experience. I think JEmmaB also runs with 4GB in his rig. And Poser, who I haven't seen forever , also has great insight in this.

At any rate, good luck!
    
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TestE, roster updated per your request. Thanks again for the gentle reminder.

MjrTom, I wish I had experience when it comes to fiddling with 4GB of RAM, but I don't. Thankfully, we've got pio who has got solid experience. I think JEmmaB also runs with 4GB in his rig. And Poser, who I haven't seen forever , also has great insight in this.

At any rate, good luck!
Cheers for the info, will keep an eye out for them and pick their brains on this matter
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