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For any who may be interested, my initiation into the world of water cooling (and greater fiscal irresponsibility dubiously justified as me furthering my education as a PC performance enthusiast) can be found here. Please feel free to visit and comment and watch in case something interesting happens.
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There is one for sale here. I admit I have seen it for cheaper on eBay. If you have the wire, you can look up the pinout and make your own.
Ah, that is like the thing on my motherboard. Good looking out blitz .

Lol, on a diff note, I just ran 3DMark06 and my score didn't improve any at all lol. Same as in sig. Maybe I should set my monitors res to 1280x1024 for 3d mark? It's funny b/c I watched the benchy, and in the ship and dragon gpu test, I could tell a big difference, yet no improvement at all. Strange.
 
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3DMark06's default rez is 1280x1024. It should default to that on a run. If the score did not improve ANY, there may be something wrong. The change should be minor, to the tune of 9200 to about 9900.
     
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Ah, that is like the thing on my motherboard. Good looking out blitz .

Lol, on a diff note, I just ran 3DMark06 and my score didn't improve any at all lol. Same as in sig. Maybe I should set my monitors res to 1280x1024 for 3d mark? It's funny b/c I watched the benchy, and in the ship and dragon gpu test, I could tell a big difference, yet no improvement at all. Strange.
Now I have a question for you on that one:

When you first got that score, was it with one GPU? If so, was your CPU clocked higher?

When you added the second for SLI, is the CPU now clocked lower?

I ask because 3DMark should be showing SOME increase with SLI, even if its minor. However we also know that 3DMark is a very HEAVILY CPU dependant benchmark. So if you had to lower your CPU clocks when in SLI, you may have just counter-acted your gains from SLI by lowering your CPU.
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Those are far from detailed instructions. They are merely a quick overview as to what will be done. To make detailed instructions, I would need pictures of everything in your BIOS and a few hours of typing. I have a Gigabyte board, but mine is nForce 3. Yours is nForce 4. The two are dissimilar.

...

*Dies laughing.* Me, know my way around the block; sorry for laughing, but that is kinda funny from where I sit. I am still very much a fresh face compared to greats like Pioneerisloud, Poser, txtmstrjoe, and GuardianOdin. (Thlnk3r too deserves honorable mention, but the only rig I have known him with has been his golden Opty.)

I can give you a quick and dirty route on how to do things. It may not be pretty, but you should be at a speed you are happy with after 2-3, 8-hour days of work. If you want to squeeze a little more power out of your rig, txtmstrjoe is the way to go; that dude spends about a month tweaking things. We all are happy to help though.

With your CPU-Z post, I can add you to the Roster if you wish to become a member. When you get to a speed you are happy with, we can tell you how to get a validation link to make it look nice and pretty.
Sure Id like to be a member do I need to do anything?

Man I feel like I only seen the tip of the iceberg, overclocking really that complex huh?

I was reading this article turned out to help me understand a bit more.

http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/How-t...ck-t11177.html

I hear is you increase the FSB it also overclocks everything else in your system including ram?

This is the exact ram i have.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231047

I would like to overclock it. If possible although some reviewers say it doesnt overclock well.

My Goal is to hit 2.66 Ghz on my X2 4200 and DDR533 with my ddr400. I only have a 350w psu.

So should I begin your instructions? on your first post? Ill take some biox pics in the mean time and post it here and possibly just edit this post.

EDIT: Here some bios pics.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...g/Image179.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...g/Image178.jpg

So to get to 2.6ghz I need to clock up to 240 from 200? What is the stable temps for a processor?
Edited by Prideless - 12/26/08 at 6:26pm
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Yes, when you increase the HTT, you increase everything: the CPU, the RAM, the HyperTransport, et cetera. (FSB is an Intel term. AMD systems use HTT; they are essentially the same thing.) On that note, make sure if there is a PCI-slot and PCI-E slot frequency lock. Without these locks, those frequencies will also increase with the HTT.

Your RAM is right now running at 2.5 V. If we need to, you can increase that up as high as 2.75 V. The goal is always do as much as you can with as little voltage as possible however. DDR 533 might be an unrealistic goal to have at present. Always set your goals at reasonable levels so you can be sure to meet them.

2.66 GHz would be 242x11. While that motherboard should be able to handle a 242 MHz HTT, Manchesters are not so fond of speeds in excess of 2.6 GHz. Of course, in the processor roulette, you may win.

I would say it is safe to start experimenting as my rubric lays out. The goal here is doing it right the first time. Be slow and meticulous. Leave no stone unturned. I am not going to lie to you, a proper overclock can take upwards of 40 man-hours to do. Orthos, which you will require for testing, should be available on the front page. Make sure to get the dual-core one.

I will be adding you to the off-site roster momentarily. When you get to a speed you are happy with, you can get yourself a snazzy validation link. In CPU-Z, hit the "About" tab. The newest version you only need to type your name, email, check "publish online," and then hit submit. The older versions require that you save the validation file, and then upload the file to the website.
     
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Yes, when you increase the HTT, you increase everything: the CPU, the RAM, the HyperTransport, et cetera. (FSB is an Intel term. AMD systems use HTT; they are essentially the same thing.) On that note, make sure if there is a PCI-slot and PCI-E slot frequency lock. Without these locks, those frequencies will also increase with the HTT.

Your RAM is right now running at 2.5 V. If we need to, you can increase that up as high as 2.75 V. The goal is always do as much as you can with as little voltage as possible however. DDR 533 might be an unrealistic goal to have at present. Always set your goals at reasonable levels so you can be sure to meet them.

2.66 GHz would be 242x11. While that motherboard should be able to handle a 242 MHz HTT, Manchesters are not so fond of speeds in excess of 2.6 GHz. Of course, in the processor roulette, you may win.

I would say it is safe to start experimenting as my rubric lays out. The goal here is doing it right the first time. Be slow and meticulous. Leave no stone unturned. I am not going to lie to you, a proper overclock can take upwards of 40 man-hours to do. Orthos, which you will require for testing, should be available on the front page. Make sure to get the dual-core one.

I will be adding you to the off-site roster momentarily. When you get to a speed you are happy with, you can get yourself a snazzy validation link. In CPU-Z, hit the "About" tab. The newest version you only need to type your name, email, check "publish online," and then hit submit. The older versions require that you save the validation file, and then upload the file to the website.
I wont be greedy ill leave ram as is.

Alright I think I am going to begin and also do more reading so I understand what exactly it is I am doing.

As for Reducing the multiplier from x11 to x5 this is located in the bios? I didnt see that option as well as the HTT multiplier option?

I did see however the power management for HTT and CPU.

When you say manchesters are not fond of excess of 2.66. What do you mean of excess? You mean higher than it or not good at that speed?

Ill take a quick look right now for the multiplier options in the bios.
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What he means is that Manchester CPU's GENERALLY top out around 2.5-2.65GHz. 99% of the Manchesters that I've personally seen and heard of will not pass 2.65GHz stable. There are a few lucky ones that get them higher though, and yours may just be one of them. You never know until you find out .
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Change "K8 CPU Clock Ratio" from "Default" to "5x." The HyperTransport multiplier is not visible in the pictures you posted, the option should be there somewhere. I will point out that Thlnk3r will suggest you change "Center Spread" to "Disabled" while overclocking. I personally always left it on, but I defer to his experience on other people's systems.

As to your earlier question of CPU temperatures, in CoreTemp, never permit the temperature to exceed 71º C. Ever. Not even for a second. (A second might not cause any damage, but I am paranoid about temperatures.) A good goal to shoot for is the low-to-middle 60s.

As for the "in excess," yes, I do mean greater than that. Most Manchesters I see run happiest around 2.5-2.6 GHz. Some do get up to 2.7 GHz or even 2.8 GHz on air cooling, but those are the exception and not the norm.
     
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