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You know, I used to have a Barton 3000+; ran at 2.16 GHz. Speaking of that Barton, I am eventually going to get around to talking to my neighbor who I sold it to. She used the computer for about two months, and then bought one from BestBuy and moth-balled it. Maybe I can convince her to give it back? Then I would have some Skt A parts again and my Xaser II back again. Maybe then I can rig the San Diego up in a server-like configuration? Maybe a dedicated abandonware box? Irony?

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There's no difference between a Toledo and a Denmark. ECC RAM capability, I think, resides more in the motherboard rather than the CPU. I used to run a Toledo, and I own a spate of Denmarks. The only time I ever see anything about ECC unbuffered, unregistered RAM is when I look at the BIOS...

Another point of proof lies in the internal ID coding (for lack of a more precise or correct term) AMD puts on its own chips, kind of like an SPD for the CPU, which CPU-Z and older generations of Everest used to tap into to identify your CPU. Until fairly recently (the last year, let's say), CPU-Z always used to identify Opterons by their Athlon-based core code names (i.e., Toledo for dual-cores, San Diego for single-cores).
True, but with an Athlon64 chip, those options in the BIOS are grayed out; you cannot turn them on. I presume with an Opteron chip, no such prohibition is in place. If as you say the coding turns it on or off, if you can find a way to reprogram the microcode, you could make an Athlon64 do the ECC work of an Opteron.

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I suppose you could always have onboard video, but from what Ive seen, today and years past, that the motherboards that have onboard video usually are a compromise. Not great overclockers, and the video quality was ok at best. Not to mention try to game on it. Its almost impossible.
Even the new boards out today have issues with the video, or have the chipset on the board but no way to hook it up.
We prove this with the newest AMD chipsets, the 790*x series. The 790fx is 16x/16x, 16x/16x/4x, 16x/8x/8x, or 8x/8x/8x/8x Crossfire (depending how many cards you have) but no onboard video. The 790gx on the other hand has an onboard video processor, but as far as we have seen so far with JEmmaB, it is 8x/8x in Crossfire, and only 8x for a single card even though it is labeled as 16x.

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Well fellas, after doing a lot of deliberation. I dont think Ill be getting the GTX 260 after all. Ive been weighing the pros and cons of returning 1 of my cards and paying another $171. When for $175 I can have a 512mb 4870 and keep my card. So it looks as though Ill be going that route.

So heres the next question when in regards to that. Does brand really matter? Other than diamond, dose it really matter wether I get a Saphire, Asus, Visiontek or MSI? I know some of these companies offer OC'd models and fancy coolers which usually cost more, but other than that is there really a difference? Ive often wondered that.
I've looked at the 1gb version of the 4870 and is it really worth the extra $50+ for the other 512mb of ram? Is there really that big of a performance increase over the 512 version?

AHHHHHHHH!!!! Ive read so many comparisons my head is spinning
DO NOT GET DIAMOND! The Tech support is terrible, as is the warranty. (1 year!) I personally liked Sapphire (my AGP 3850 was them). The drivers worked decently out of the box, and it was (at the time) lifetime warranty. I have also used VisionTek (for my AGP 1950xge). The only beef I had there is that they upgraded to a massive cooler, but then disabled the ability to overclock. Why...? My next card will likely be a Sapphire or MSI. Pioneerisloud has had some experience with MSI's nVidia cards.

As far as I understand, a 4870 512 MB is slightly below a GTX 280 at high resolutions, and a 4870 1024 MB is slightly above a GTX 280 at the same. I know DesertRat has the 4870 512 MB and can max out Call of Duty 4 at his native 1920x1080 with good FPS (over 70 at least). I am sure it is not as good in Crysis. The way I look at it, having been burned MANY a time with graphics cards, $50 now will save you months of regret. Just get the 1024 MB.
     
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True, but with an Athlon64 chip, those options in the BIOS are grayed out; you cannot turn them on. I presume with an Opteron chip, no such prohibition is in place. If as you say the coding turns it on or off, if you can find a way to reprogram the microcode, you could make an Athlon64 do the ECC work of an Opteron.
Not true at all. On my A8N32-SLI Deluxe, these BIOS options are not grayed out but are user-selectable and usable depending on the RAM mounted in the board. Trust me on this, as I've played with this function back when I still ran my Toledo X2 4400+.

If ECC was easily accessible and cheap, I'd run this particular test, as I still have access to both a Denmark and a Toledo.
    
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Alright, thanks guys.

I think I'm gonna go that route then.

Slap on 2 9800GSO 348mb cards. And send it off to F@H.
Good choice, But I don't think you mentioned your Goal was folding in the OP. IMO there are better boards you can go with for a Dedicated Folding rig. BTW You can mod boards to fold on the PCI-E X1 slots.
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Whatever happened to your Toledo? Client build?
     
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Whatever happened to your Toledo? Client build?
My dad's machine runs it. I chose poorly for his motherboard; it has a VIA K8T890 chipset, so it requires a chip with a high CPU multiplier because I can't raise the reference clock too much before OS corruption sets in (learned this the hard way, by the way).

It's still alive and kicking, and is probably the most stable OCed machine I have in the family stable. It has never ever BSoDed or crashed or hung (after I learned about the vagaries of the VIA chipset, that is).
    
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Oh darn, there went my hope.

Why haven't you updated your WC thread lately while I am poking you?
     
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Oh darn, there went my hope.

Why haven't you updated your WC thread lately while I am poking you?
I've been meaning to share (well, actually, TAKE) pictures of the H20 parts, but I've been sick (and therefore bereft of energy). Perhaps sometime this weekend I'll be able to update the thread and share; that's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

You got a new S939 board I'm not aware of, Blitz?
    
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Because a few guys bought into it and got screwed by 940pin CPUs which is AMDs standard right now.

Like socket 478 Pentium 4's.

}begin Rant

} LOLZ someone on my exactly wavelength AMD should have allowed 939 owners to a free motherboard and cpu upgrade they changed the pin fabrication and screwwed us all in the name of DDR2
} end rant

I was honestly heart broken as i had JUSt gotten a 939 rig at the time and it was obsolete within 4 months from memory.
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}begin Rant

} LOLZ someone on my exactly wavelength AMD should have allowed 939 owners to a free motherboard and cpu upgrade they changed the pin fabrication and screwwed us all in the name of DDR2
} end rant

I was honestly heart broken as i had JUSt gotten a 939 rig at the time and it was obsolete within 4 months from memory.
So is it safe to say you are one of the few who did not get raked over the coal with pricing on your 939 rig?
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So is it safe to say you are one of the few who did not get raked over the coal with pricing on your 939 rig?
Yeah wasn't too bad but i had no idea am2 was around the corner i had wisely waited till the prices dropped then upgraded.. etc etc

prices reduce means hardwares about to get better seems the moral there.
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