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Server 2003 = Windows XP
Server 2008 = Vista

Same stuff, just different optimizations.
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/Glad I have Retail XP.

Though still, I'm not getting why his proc is not able to handle Vista well.

I get similar game performance (+/- 4 FPS) in almost every game, when playing in XP or Vista, and I have a Brisbane 4000+ @ 2.8.
Before that I was running @ 2.0 (stock) and still doing fine.
I only overclocked so I could get some better multi tasking going.
And Obviously I am running 2 lower spec cards than he is and never seemed to encounter this issues.

Is their that much difference between his x2 3800+ and my x2 4000+ if both are at the same speed?

I mean the only real difference I can see is that my RAM is faster. But he has twice as much as I do.
The thing is that CS:S has a big disadvantage in vista of having unbearable mini.fps's when the CPU isn't clocked high enough. Hence, 30 fps.

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Guys, the issue at hand isn't AVERAGE framerates on CSS. That's perfectly fine according to Pez. Its when it drops down to below 60 is when he's getting the problems. As we ALL know (who have played it), CSS NEEDS those higher framerates to be smooth. So if he's seeing 30 FPS instead of 90....then yeah, it's going to be unplayable.

There was a server we were in, and my Opteron was clocked at 2.70GHz, and I was seeing as low as 45 FPS. He was seeing as low as 30 @ 2.5GHz. Custom maps...that's why .
He's correct^

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But the issue is XP versus Vista. The drivers for the two systems are different. Exacerbated by the fact that for all of us, our XP experience was x86 and our Vista experience is x64. (Though, Pez and I have both done Vista x86 and x64; but I have not played CS:S in any.)

Pez: Has XP Compatibility mode helped any?
This is the 3rd time you've asked this blitz . Didn't do anything.

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I can play CSS at 16x12 with 30FPS just fine.
Doesn't look bad to me.

The human eye does not see past 30FPS.

Maybe something to consider for more stable FPS is Vsync, I turn that on in every game. Makes them play so smooth. Especially source games.
Actually the human eye can see up to 60 FPS. i don't have the best vision, but 30 FPS isn't playable in CSS. It might be in Crysis, but in CSS, no. I've tried turning on Vsync, but it actually causes me some mouse lag, and IDK why...the kinda mouse lag you see in 3rd person shooters.

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XP server 2003 IIRC is the first iteration of vista without the eye candy and is still considered the best of either xp or vista.


Dude, Not to be a grammar Nazi but can you stop the "teh" stuff? It confuses me when reading posts. My brain is foggy with the chronic pain and meds. I know it seems trite but I have to keep going back to read your posts multiple times. It's my problem but if you could stop it would help me.


Read my sig!



Or if he will give you a comparable am3 board/chip.


:appl aud:
Let us know what you find before buying. There are a few people here with these that can help you get the best bang for your buck.



Oh i've already made the deal, just making payments. Getting it (it's never been OC'ed) for $110.
 
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Oh i've already made the deal, just making payments. Getting it (it's never been OC'ed) for $110.
Good find. I should have bought 2xopty 180's when I got the first one. oh well I guess that other $170.00 be prolly be better spent on system upgrades like newer mobo etc etc etc.

Nice job on the opty for sure. those are hard to find. they go for that and then some on ebay all the time.
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Good find. I should have bought 2xopty 180's when I got the first one. oh well I guess that other $170.00 be prolly be better spent on system upgrades like newer mobo etc etc etc.

Nice job on the opty for sure. those are hard to find. they go for that and then some on ebay all the time.
Yep yep . I think I may take that offer on the HD 4870
 
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OK after thinking about this (server 2003/vista) IIRC I had a RC2 that had the NT 6.0 Kernal (I>E> Vista) I'll look around for it later. Right now I'm trying to figure out what is wrong with my DNS.
Does anyone else have a problem getting to microshaft? Post the direct IP please I can't even tracert it.
Hueristic, I honestly think Win2k3 is far from Vista. They are both completely different operating systems. On the other Win2k8 is similar to Vista (themes and what not). The console version of Win2k8 I thought was kind of a joke.

Try 4.2.2.x for your DNS. I normally use 4.2.2.3. Do you have Timewarner as your ISP? Late at night their DNS servers seem to have troubles resolving. I started using 4.2.2.2 with much success

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Yep yep . I think I may take that offer on the HD 4870

pez one thing at a time. You may get the opty and have success with your two vid cards. I look at it like this. SLI Speeds are better than single card speeds if you are comparing two identical cards. 1x 9800GT vs 2x 9800GT in SLI. Now if for some reason down the road you decide that you want more then on pc you will already have 2 nice cards that you can split up and use in two different rigs. just my 2 cents.
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3DMark06 is a very CPU-Centric benchmark. You will notice that your CPU speed is a substantial part of the overall score, effecting all three stats. Single-core CPUs tend to be incapable of breaking 6000. Dual-core CPUs do better, and quad-core CPUs do better still. The benchmark is also very nVidia/Intel favoring. I too am having problems with Crysis BlackOmega. No matter what I do, I cannot get more than 35-40 FPS whether I run 1280x800 0xAA, medspec DX9 or 1920x1200 4xAA, highspec DX10. I think it is a driver issue with CCC.
Crysis is the weird one, if I turn AA/AF off the difference in framerate is usually less than 1 frame per second.
As for 3d06, Ive noticed its not only the cpu scores that go up but also the sm2.0/3.0 scores. Therefore leading me to believe that, as much as I hate to admit it, the CPU is bottlenecking.
I run 3d03 to see actual graphic card performance increase, which yet again showed me that the CPU is bottlenecking the card pretty badly, because the only difference was the CPU speed, the more I raise it the higher the score goes.
Just for kicks and giggles, download 3Dmark03, run it at stock clocks. Then run it OC'd, Im curious how much your score will change.


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Guys, the issue at hand isn't AVERAGE framerates on CSS. That's perfectly fine according to Pez. Its when it drops down to below 60 is when he's getting the problems. As we ALL know (who have played it), CSS NEEDS those higher framerates to be smooth. So if he's seeing 30 FPS instead of 90....then yeah, it's going to be unplayable.

There was a server we were in, and my Opteron was clocked at 2.70GHz, and I was seeing as low as 45 FPS. He was seeing as low as 30 @ 2.5GHz. Custom maps...that's why .
Theres part of your problem.

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Not in CSS . Like Pez said, I ran with him this morning at identical clocks, and we were within 1-2 FPS apart, and I was watching somebody else by mistake (I was spectating, he was playing). Cache makes very little to no difference in CSS...its all about clock speed, and that's it.
Theres the other. For 1 custom maps, for the most part, are textured REALLY badly. There are always going to be areas where, for no reason whatsoever, your FPS will drop like a rock. I was playing on a custom map when I looked at an area on a particular wall and in 1 spot and 1 spot only my fps would drop below 30. Anywhere else on the same wall I was getting 150+. 2 when spectating there's an inherent lag and bandwidth issue, as the server receives the info from 1 client then processes it then sends it to you. Which will sometimes make it appear choppy even at high frame rates.

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Dude, Not to be a grammar Nazi but can you stop the "teh" stuff? It confuses me when reading posts. My brain is foggy with the chronic pain and meds. I know it seems trite but I have to keep going back to read your posts multiple times. It's my problem but if you could stop it would help me.
Lol so sorry Hue. I type 57 words per minute and sometimes letters get misplaced. Well, honestly, a lot of the time letters get misplaced. Ill make sure theres no more "teh"

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BlackOmega, I think your rig is running fine. Those are some great results from CSS. There could be some bottlenecking occurring. Like I said before these cards are just to fast for our rigs. You'd probably see some what of a difference with a Phenom II/Core i7 set up but is it really worth it? Probably not.
Well I defintely wouldnt be going i7. Its just too expensive and from what Ive been reading, theyre really not that great overclockers. Seems like the intel fanboys are having lots of stability issues with them.
And as for the PII 940 rig, since all I really need is a board/CPU/RAM it really wouldnt be that expensive. And they seem to overclock nicely. So Im seriously considering selling off some of my 939 stuff. Ill definitely keep at least one rig. Which one is yet to be determined.


At any rate if any of you guys might be interested in any of my 939 stuff PM me.
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I wonder why I don't ever report any problems playing games at 1680 x 1050? Some of you have faster CPUs, or overclocked cards, or maybe even multi-GPUs, but are having tons more problems with your games.

I put the disc in, run the executable, and never ever worry about framerates. I just play the game and enjoy it...
    
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I was merely comparing framerates as closely as I could. I wasn't about to try to play....I get killed right after I spawn!
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I wonder why I don't ever report any problems playing games at 1680 x 1050? Some of you have faster CPUs, or overclocked cards, or maybe even multi-GPUs, but are having tons more problems with your games.

I put the disc in, run the executable, and never ever worry about framerates. I just play the game and enjoy it...
Nah, its because you are the almighty joe!
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2320 @ 3.1GHz MSI B75MA-E33 HIS HD7970 3GB @ 1050 / 1700, 1.17v Patriot 2x4GB DDR3-1066 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial MX100 256GB WD Green 2TB DVDRW Corsair H50 Push / Pull 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
NZXT 120mm fans strapped to stock 7970 cooler Windows 10 Pro Dell 3007WFP Dell 2007FP 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell 2007FP Cheap Toshiba (R.I.P. Ducky) PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKIII 950w Cheap Garbage (free) 
MouseAudio
Logitech G602 Yardsale Special 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3330 Asus H61 MSI GTX 750Ti Low Profile 2x4GB Hynix DDR3-1333 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
60GB Kingston SSD 1TB Seagate Samsung DVDRW CoolerMaster Gemin II 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8.1 + Steam Big Picture / Plex HT 50" Insignia LED 1080p Logitech Rosewill Green 530w 
CaseMouseAudioOther
Silverstone HTPC Logitech Pioneer 2.0 tower speakers + 135w RMS Rosewill MCE Remote 
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