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When I use AS5, it is about the size of uncooked minute rice. If you have not lapped your IHS, then the bead would be a bead small enough to just barely fit inside the AMD logo on the right side of it. See:

     
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Originally Posted by blitz6804 View Post
When I use AS5, it is about the size of uncooked minute rice. If you have not lapped your IHS, then the bead would be a bead small enough to just barely fit inside the AMD logo on the right side of it. See:

Man All this time I was applying way more paste on the surface.. Way bigger bead on the center. Thanks for the info. Should it be applied where the logo is or on center??
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Dead smack in the center. You must apply massive pressure to spread it properly though. (Clip on heatsinks might not supply enough pressure, but bolt-through ones sure do.) If you want to check if you have enough, take the heat sink back off. If the area where the die is under the IHS (Google for a delidded CPU to give you an idea) is not covered, you might need slightly more. If the diameter of the circle is about half that of the side of the square, that is sufficient. It is NOT necessary to cover the entire IHS with TIM. If you do not get a circle via this method, either the IHS and/or the HSF are not flat.
     
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To clarify, I am borrowing Joe's topless Opteron 170:



You can see the total width of the CPU's PCB by the upper red line. The lower red line is exactly half that. You can see, that if your TIM makes a disc that size, the CPU die will be fully covered.
     
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Blitz, I have used AS5 exclusively for years. And it is decent TIM. But the things that have gotten me to seriously hate the stuff is the cure time. Since I bought my mobos' and cpus', it seems as though Im constantly switching hardware around. And the cure time for AS5 is just rediculous. 200+ hours including heat cycling and all that. So if you turn your rig on and never shut it off that 200 hours just increased.

As for other TIMs', I have read several reviews and OCZ freeze and Tuniq MX2 and those seem to be VERY good TIMs' with little or no cure time.

I was one of the "testers" of ICD7 and I have to say that stuff beats AS5 hands down. It literally cut my temps by 3*C @ idle and 7*C at load, on all of my CPUs'. The "cure time is only about 2 hours. Yes spreading it can be a pain, set it in a cup of boiled water for about 5 mins and itll become more viscous and much easier to apply. You dont apply this like AS5, you put a pea size bead right in the center, put on your HS press down to spread it then latch it down. It works VERY well. I used it on my NB hsf and considering that 80% of the HS is covered by my 4870 it still cools remarably well. 36*C @ idle and 40*C @ load.

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Originally Posted by HothBase View Post
I use MX-2 mostly because I'm lazy.
I have read a few reviews of this MX-2 and it is suppose to be a littel better then most TIM's on the market today.

Non conductive = Won't fry any thing accidentally becuase it is non metalic and non conductive.

Better thermal properties = Cooler CPU Temps.

No cure time = Works great from very first boot. No waiting for it to cure so you can start ramping up the overclocks from first boot.

Longer shelf Life = It will prolly only have to be applied once in the lifetime of the cpu. They say it has minimum 8 yr shelf life.

Easy Installation = Less frustration or worries about how to apply it. applied.

Good Pricing = Hard to beat pound for pound in price vs performance comparison.

Here is a couple of reviews I googled for MX-2

Overclockers club review

aphnetworks.com review

driver heaven review

OCIA.net review ans seal of approval

Tweek Towns review best performance must have

Hope this helps blitz

N2G
Edited by N2Gaming - 2/28/09 at 3:59pm
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200+ hours including heat cycling and all that. So if you turn your rig on and never shut it off that 200 hours just increased.

. . .

You dont apply this like AS5, you put a pea size bead right in the center, put on your HS press down to spread it then latch it down.
My computer is on 8-16 hours daily, depending on the day of week. I see my lowest AS5 temperatures after 2-4 weeks.

If you apply ICD7C as above, the only difference from AS5 is the volume of TIM. You use about half that much AS5.
     
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My computer is on 8-16 hours daily, depending on the day of week. I see my lowest AS5 temperatures after 2-4 weeks.

If you apply ICD7C as above, the only difference from AS5 is the volume of TIM. You use about half that much AS5.
The reason is because the gentleman that made the stuff says it works better when the WHOLE IHS has contact with the HS. Where as most other TIMs' dont make full100%. ICD7C is supposed to almost ooze out. The other reason for using so much TIM is to reduce the frequency of air pockets between the IHS and the HS.
All in all its very good stuff, it lowered my temps almost instantly. And if you think about it, it is almost counterintuitive that using more TIM = lower temps. WHen we all know that using too much TIM usually = higher temps.
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Lol, I rarely turn off my computer.

Mike, you can always put a small amount on and get a fine brush or a credit card and spread it manually.
 
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In my own experiences, I believe that TIM isn't necessarily important when both surfaces are lapped (IHS and the cooler base). I put about half of what Arctic Silver recommends...really I hardly put anything on (literally). I never saw anything above 55C (26C room ambient) when doing full load tests. I hardly noticed a difference with and without TIM. The temperature differences were only a few 1-3C higher.

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