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N2Gaming, did you ever figure out if your overclock was causing the "boot" issues at POST?

Good luck
well I had to leave it alone for a while. I get frustrated easy and it's better to leave it alone for a while so that I don't do any thing stupid and wreck it. I need to clear cmos agian. I need to make or buy several clear cmos swites so that i can keep going in the event I fudge the overclock like I did last knight.

When I get around to it I will check the battery voltage again. I do think the battery helped but I was very able to do a better overclock from the other night when I had a bad battery. Which reminds me. For future reference is it a good rule of thumb to make sure you have a good cmos battery before you try to flash a bios or do the two have nothing to do w/ea other?

Thank you,

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So I see a lot of guides on overclocking and such.....but this is quite new to me. Could anyone just point out the guides which would be useful for me to go through?

thanks!
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For future reference is it a good rule of thumb to make sure you have a good cmos battery before you try to flash a bios or do the two have nothing to do w/ea other?
N2Gaming, having the BIOS run under it's specified voltage can cause all kinds of problems. It's advisable that you run a battery that is rated at it's correct voltage.

What kind of changes are you doing to your BIOS that requires so many CMOS resets? Simply raising the HTT (reference clock speed) in small increments shouldn't cause huge issues.

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So I see a lot of guides on overclocking and such.....but this is quite new to me. Could anyone just point out the guides which would be useful for me to go through?
Mocambo, for Socket 939 I usually suggest reading these guides:

http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ing-guide.html
http://icrontic.com/articles/a64_overclocking_theory
http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ocket-am2.html (follows AM2 but most of the procedures still apply)

Is this is your first time overclocking a Socket 939 or are you just brushing up on the documentation? The 3800+ X2 is a great processor. Do you know if you're running a Toledo or a Manchester core? The Manchester core seems to have a limit near 2.6 - 2.7Ghz. It's a very voltage hungry core so just FYI.

Let us know if you have any more questions

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So I see a lot of guides on overclocking and such.....but this is quite new to me. Could anyone just point out the guides which would be useful for me to go through?

thanks!
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If you want to do your overclock properly, something I have never done, this is how you do it:

1) Reduce CPU multiplier to 5x, reduce HT Link to 2x, reduce RAM to 200:100
2) Increase the HTT by 5 MHz
3) Run Orthos 30 minutes
4) If it passes, go to step 2; if it fails go to step 5
5) Subtract 10 MHz from the HTT you just tried and write that number down as "Max HTT"
6) Return HTT to 200, increase memory to 200:200 (or in your case, 200:166)
7) Increase the HTT by 5 MHz
8) Run Orthos 30 minutes
9) If it passes, go to step 7; if it fails go to step 10
10) Subtract 10 MHz from the HTT you just tried and write it down as "Max RAM"*
11) Return the HTT to 200 and the RAM to 200:100, then set the CPU multiplier to its maximum (in your case, 10x)
12) Increase the HTT by 5 MHz
13) Run Orthos 30 minutes
14) If it passes, go to step 12; if it fails go to step 15
15) Subtract 10 MHz from the HTT you just tried, multiply it by the multiplier in step 11, and write it down as "Max CPU"
OPTIONAL:
16) Return the HTT to 200 and the CPU multiplier to 5x, change the HT Link to 5x
17) Increase the HTT by 5 MHz
18) Run Orthos 30 minutes
19) If it passes, go to step 17; if it fails go to step 20
20) Subtract 10 MHz from the HTT you just tried, multiply it by 5, and write it down as "Max HyperTransport"

Now we know your maximum CPU speed, maximum RAM speed, and maximum HTT. There are a few programs available where you can input these three numbers and they will suggest the best course of action for you. You can also do this manually attempting to maximize the CPU speed and RAM speed knowing the limitations of your HTT. If you did the optional step, you may be inclined to try maximizing your HyperTransport (that is, preferentially keeping the CPU and/or RAM speed slower to ensure that HyperTransport is about 1000 MHz).

You will have links to said programs from someone else soon**. I always just played it by ear. Instead of worrying about the RAM speed, I worried about the RAM bandwidth. To test the RAM bandwidth, you will need a program like Everest Ultimate.

*Maximum RAM for those timings and voltage. Loosening timings tends to increase this value. Tightening timings tends to decrease this value. Increasing voltage tends to increase this value. Decreasing voltages tends to decrease this value. The effects are inelastically additive. A similar argument exists for CPU Voltage, which if your Via K8T is like mine was, is nonadjustable in your case.

**Gogar's A64 OC Optimizer for one.
There are also a few useful guides in the first post of this tread.
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N2Gaming, having the BIOS run under it's specified voltage can cause all kinds of problems. It's advisable that you run a battery that is rated at it's correct voltage.

What kind of changes are you doing to your BIOS that requires so many CMOS resets? Simply raising the HTT (reference clock speed) in small increments shouldn't cause huge issues.

Good luck

I know but I went for the hell mary last night and tried to post with a FSB of 400

I know silly me I just wanted to find the max FSB now and I found out what it can not do now.

I get back to it in a while

Thank you,

N2G
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For future reference is it a good rule of thumb to make sure you have a good cmos battery before you try to flash a bios or do the two have nothing to do w/ea other?N2G
It's not necessary as the 3.3v on the board is what keeps the cmos settings while running. But if you want to keep your settings when rebooting it might be a good idea.

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There are also a few useful guides in the first post of this tread.
Hoth you need to fix that flow chart you posted.
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Originally Posted by thlnk3r View Post
Mocambo, for Socket 939 I usually suggest reading these guides:

http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ing-guide.html
http://icrontic.com/articles/a64_overclocking_theory
http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ocket-am2.html (follows AM2 but most of the procedures still apply)

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Let us know if you have any more questions

Good luck
Hey this is my FIRST time overclocking actually, the OC in my sig was done through AI OC LOL. I have the Toledo core. thanks for the links ill look thru it.

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There are also a few useful guides in the first post of this tread.
Ill look through them thanks... any other tips?
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Hoth you need to fix that flow chart you posted.
Edited, thanks!
   
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Man I have no idea what is going on with my rigs. They seem to lose connection to the internets' for no reason whatsoever. Itll be working fine then all of the sudden page cannot be displayed.
If I restart it works just fine. Its very random, there is no rhyme or reason to it. Sometimes I can go 2 days without losing it, sometimes 2 hours. Mind you my wife's crapintosh is also hooked up to the modem/router and hers doesn't lose it. it happens with both my Asus and DFI NF4 boards.
Any ideas?
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