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Those Dell towers are actually very nice Heatsinks, considering you can get them for around 5-10$ shipped on Fleabay.
Yeah i got 2 from a member here for $7 apiece. I'm pretty happy with them.
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I just ordered mine from Newegg. Let us see if they are as good as the 939s of old
Blitz, the Deneb's like cold temperatures for high overclocks so just FYI. A vcore of 1.5volts and up is very common for these. You'll be very surprised on how much cooler they run too. They get about the same load temps as our S939's do but with 1.5vcore. I'm very impressed by the PhII

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the Brisbanes are epic failures.
Well this is purely user opinion. Memory bandwidth and 3DMark06 numbers mean nothing to me. If it feels slow then I guess it feels slow, I can't disagree with you there. I don't know about the Brisbane being a "epic failure" though. Quite a few users still like there Brisbanes.

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Blitz, the Deneb's like cold temperatures for high overclocks so just FYI. A vcore of 1.5volts and up is very common for these. You'll be very surprised on how much cooler they run too. They get about the same load temps as our S939's do but with 1.5vcore. I'm very impressed by the PhII



Well this is purely user opinion. Memory bandwidth and 3DMark06 numbers mean nothing to me. If it feels slow then I guess it feels slow, I can't disagree with you there. I don't know about the Brisbane being a "epic failure" though. Quite a few users still like there Brisbanes.

Good luck
That comment was what stood out to me, as well.

I think that, if compared to its market contemporaries (C2Ds), then yes, the Brisbanes were a failure. But what do you expect? It's an older architecture, albeit optimized from the S939 iteration. As far as I'm concerned, AM2 is just S939 running with different RAM and a higher potential peak frequency.

Incidentally, this is also why I have eschewed the "upgrade" from S939 to AM2. More like a sideways move to me, you know? To be fair, though, S939s just can't go as fast in raw clock speed as AM2 chips can. That's the only advantage AM2 has (other than super-cheap DDR2).
    
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Well this is purely user opinion. Memory bandwidth and 3DMark06 numbers mean nothing to me. If it feels slow then I guess it feels slow, I can't disagree with you there. I don't know about the Brisbane being a "epic failure" though. Quite a few users still like there Brisbanes.

Good luck

I like my Brisbane, but I have to agree that it is an "Epic Failure" while I waited a long while to upgrade to Dual Core (My netburst @ 4.0 did so well for so long because of non multi threaded apps/games)
But the Brisbanes just are not as good as the Core 2 line up.
Now Core 2 vs Phenom or Phenom II on the other hand is a good match up.

But the Brisbanes didn't even feel like a stepping stone.
It would be like if Intel refreshed Pentium D CPUs into 65nm and kept them going instead of moving to Core 2.

That being said, for the price/performance. Brisbane, Kuma, Agena, or any other AMD CPU right now is a great buy for their performance. But original price/performance ratio was not their.
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That being said, for the price/performance. Brisbane, Kuma, Agena, or any other AMD CPU right now is a great buy for their performance. But original price/performance ratio was not their.
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When you buy a new CPU/Socket, you expect it to be better. What I am saying, in my experience, the Brisbane is a lateral move from a Toledo. Sure it can clock faster. So what? I do not notice any FPS difference from my Toledo to the Brisbane. The only time I notice the extra speed is when doing SuperPi. Seriously. That is it. Nothing else. If it were up to me, I would not have transgraded. I however could not justify paying $120 for a decent 939 CPU when I could pay $300 and get a platform that could one day go quad core. My hope is that the Phenom II does not dissapoint.

Thlnk3r: Based solely on TDP, I am expecting the Deneb to be running hotter than my current Brisbane. It is 125 W compared to my 65 W. However, as far as I know, the Brisbane might be running warmer than I estimate; newer Brisbanes tend to have broken Digital Thermal Sensors. Thus, you only have a ballpark temperature, not a decent estimation of your temperature. In the BIOS, I read about 36º C. In Windows, at idle, I read around 28º C. My individual core temperatures read -5º C and 4º C. Needless to say, they are worthless. I estimate my load temp to be around 65º C based on research and a totality of my evidence. I could be wrong. But if I am not, I have more overclocking headroom as I am good to 72º C @ 1.325 V. The Phenom II is good to 62º C @ 1.500 V if I read the whitepages right.
     
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In all fairness, Blitz (and I've told thlnk3r this, too, to be perfectly honest), were I in your position I would have done the same exact thing. The folly, though, is expecting too much from AM2 dual-cores. But that's just me talking.

Of course, I would not have been ham-fisted to kill a CPU the way you did, so...

On the other hand, I learned that you never butter-finger a heavy heatsink over a naked CPU.
    
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I have been fortunate in never crushing a CPU, even from my Socket A days. However, as you said, I have no coordination, which of course, is why my Toledo had to die. If I could do it over, I would have lapped it and shimmed the heatsink before attempting something rash like delidding again.
     
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I have been fortunate in never crushing a CPU, even from my Socket A days. However, as you said, I have no coordination, which of course, is why my Toledo had to die. If I could do it over, I would have lapped it and shimmed the heatsink before attempting something rash like delidding again.
Not for nuthing but that is why I put that in my sig to make sure kids that really need their stuff don't get too excited here and lose what they cannot replace. I am sorry you lost a good cpu though.
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Blitz, the Deneb's like cold temperatures for high overclocks so just FYI. A vcore of 1.5volts and up is very common for these. You'll be very surprised on how much cooler they run too. They get about the same load temps as our S939's do but with 1.5vcore. I'm very impressed by the PhII



Well this is purely user opinion. Memory bandwidth and 3DMark06 numbers mean nothing to me. If it feels slow then I guess it feels slow, I can't disagree with you there. I don't know about the Brisbane being a "epic failure" though. Quite a few users still like there Brisbanes.

Good luck
I still love mine. I was able to get in the ball paart of 9500+ or so memory bandwitdth with a decent cpu/ram/HT overclock and still be stable w/4x 1gig ram. I just hate my mobo right now becuase I killed the bios and don't have removable bios chip. Darn Asus.:swearing:
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