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I believe Joe will have some comments later about S&M. He mentioned to me over the weekend that he may not be running that stress test application anymore.
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Joe, founder of the unofficial S&M stress test club, is not going to be running it anymore? I have to hear this story!
Well, thlnk3r is more accurate here. We had one of our periodic meet-and-eats last weekend, and I did tell him that I was considering eschewing S&M as a stability test. (Note that I did not say that I was never using it ever again in the future. It's a fine distinction, but the devil is always in the details. )

I have never run a more demanding stability test than S&M. And, as other have already recounted, its reputation for breaking weak components is absolutely well-deserved in my experience. No other stability test program has ever broken any piece of my hardware except for S&M (I lost a RAM DIMM to S&M a couple of years ago).

But a computer's stability is one of those crazy things which is almost impossible to define due to the fact that there are just so many variables constantly shifting and changing conditions which influence the result of testing. I think a computer is really only "stable" when it's turned off; nothing crashes when the power's not flowing through it.

So why did I tell thlnk3r that I was considering not using S&M as a stress test anymore? As always, in overclocking you have two sides in a constant state of opposition: Speed and "stability" (however you may choose to define it) are always counter-balancing each other. You go too far favoring one side, the other side will inevitably suffer. What's always true, though, is that the faster you make your chip run, the greater your potential for an unstable system.

The goofy thing is that, even if your hardware configuration and setup are "stable" according to whatever test you subscribe to, there is always a chance for the system to crash, to bluescreen, to freeze, to exhibit instability. And it's almost impossible to narrow down the specific reason why the system exhibits certain signs of instability even after a successful stability test.

Here's the bottom line for me: There is no such thing as "stable" in the world of computing. Even machines at completely stock settings can crash or freeze (ask my co-worker here at the office; her C2D freezes at least three or four times a week). There is only "stable enough." S&M might indicate your settings are stable at a given speed (say, 2.8GHz on a dual-core S939 Opteron), yet the rig will still exhibit weird behaviors indicating instability. Run the rig at 2.9GHz, fail S&M, and yet you NEVER have any unstable behavior. How do you figure that? (I'm not talking about my sig rig specifically, but on other machines I've played with I've seen it happen.)

I think the ultimate indicator of stability for any settings is if the machine never misbehaves at a given configuration.

Have I given up using S&M? No. But will I let it be the sole indicator of what is stable? Absolutely not.
    
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The page of firewire! woot. lol

Hey, where you socal boys at? If you'd rather not disclose precise locations in public, pm me. Might be fun to get a lan party together if you guys are down.
Edited by AllenG - 3/17/09 at 5:06pm
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Hmm.. I think I'll just stay at 260 now. Can anyone suggest the best ram timings? (Currently have 3-3-3-8 1T)
Glad to see you got your rig running in a way that you like! Noticed you got the DC setup right too, wonderful! Personally, i would leave the timings at 3-3-3-8... i like that setting with ddr running at 400 or over, those timings are still decently tight as far as im concerned.
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Just got an RMA number from Asus, I'll be shipping the old girl out on Thursday.
This P4 can't do anything, 3 1/2 hours to rip a dvd is rediculous.
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The goofy thing is that, even if your hardware configuration and setup are "stable" according to whatever test you subscribe to, there is always a chance for the system to crash, to bluescreen, to freeze, to exhibit instability. And it's almost impossible to narrow down the specific reason why the system exhibits certain signs of instability even after a successful stability test.

Here's the bottom line for me: There is no such thing as "stable" in the world of computing...
An extremely accurate assessment of the "overclocking" experience. Stability is an "observed state". S&M, though a brutal suite... and one that I keep in my arsenal benching tools, is merely one such state. If your machine was to fail S&M...and yet operate perfectly under all other conditions, wouldnt that meet stability in terms of your needs. Conversely, should it pass S&M, and yet bluescreen every time you run a defrag or ghost a drive... wouldnt that been an unacceptable state?

The long and short of what I get from Joe's statement, is that while S&M is a noteworthy tool... there may be "kinder and gentler" means of establishing your personal level of system "stability"
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OMG! Its the god of RAM tweaking himself! How have you been Poser? We have not seen you in a while... we need you to tell everyone how to get 4 DIMMs really cracking!
     
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OMG! Its the god of RAM tweaking himself! How have you been Poser? We have not seen you in a while... we need you to tell everyone how to get 4 DIMMs really cracking!
Blitzer, I can see from your sig-rig, you have been busy building monsters yourself. It is good to be back perusing the forums for enjoyment...its been far too long Last time I checked the thread...it was at a lengthy 79 pages. Needless to say, I got me some reading to do.

As for 4 dimm cooking, Max async latency...there within lie the secrets of 4*1 goodness.
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So why did I tell thlnk3r that I was considering not using S&M as a stress test anymore? As always, in overclocking you have two sides in a constant state of opposition: Speed and "stability" (however you may choose to define it) are always counter-balancing each other. You go too far favoring one side, the other side will inevitably suffer. What's always true, though, is that the faster you make your chip run, the greater your potential for an unstable system.

The goofy thing is that, even if your hardware configuration and setup are "stable" according to whatever test you subscribe to, there is always a chance for the system to crash, to bluescreen, to freeze, to exhibit instability. And it's almost impossible to narrow down the specific reason why the system exhibits certain signs of instability even after a successful stability test.

Here's the bottom line for me: There is no such thing as "stable" in the world of computing. Even machines at completely stock settings can crash or freeze (ask my co-worker here at the office; her C2D freezes at least three or four times a week). There is only "stable enough." S&M might indicate your settings are stable at a given speed (say, 2.8GHz on a dual-core S939 Opteron), yet the rig will still exhibit weird behaviors indicating instability. Run the rig at 2.9GHz, fail S&M, and yet you NEVER have any unstable behavior. How do you figure that? (I'm not talking about my sig rig specifically, but on other machines I've played with I've seen it happen.)

Have I given up using S&M? No. But will I let it be the sole indicator of what is stable? Absolutely not.
I typically run a barrage of tests at a given overclock. S&M being one of them that can actually give me feedback as to what might be potentially wrong with my overclock. That information is invaluable when it comes down to trying to stabilize an overclock.

As for the failure @ 2.9, out of curiosity which test did it fail? L1 per chance?
If the overclock fails S&M yet exhibits no unstable behavior, IMO, it is just a matter of time until it does. After reading an AMD internal document pertaining to L1 cache failures of the opterons, which is a matter of voltage, over a period of time more and more bad/dead sectors will appear with more and more regular frequency. Eventually, the chip will not even be able to run at stock timings or voltage due to the permanent damage within it. Now this is purely my opinion and mere speculation.
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I typically run a barrage of tests at a given overclock. S&M being one of them that can actually give me feedback as to what might be potentially wrong with my overclock. That information is invaluable when it comes down to trying to stabilize an overclock.
That's a solid, reliable, systematic regimen. I couldn't fault that at all.

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As for the failure @ 2.9, out of curiosity which test did it fail? L1 per chance?
Per my notes, the overclocks in question failed in the Cache Level 2 test consistently. Raising VCore sometimes allowed the testing to proceed up to the FPU test, whereupon failures became almost immediate.

My conclusions during such tests was that it would take a rather sizable increase in VCore to overcome the cause of FPU calculation failure.

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If the overclock fails S&M yet exhibits no unstable behavior, IMO, it is just a matter of time until it does. After reading an AMD internal document pertaining to L1 cache failures of the opterons, which is a matter of voltage, over a period of time more and more bad/dead sectors will appear with more and more regular frequency. Eventually, the chip will not even be able to run at stock timings or voltage due to the permanent damage within it. Now this is purely my opinion and mere speculation.
Well said here, BlackOmega. What I would offer, though, is that even without failing S&M (or indeed RUNNING S&M) the same can be said about almost any personal computer, especially one that is forced to run faster than its designated stock speed. Even at stock speeds, even with components that could be categorized as utterly reliable (new, fresh out of the box parts with zero miles on them, so to speak) which pass all other tests, S&M might still fail. Or, conversely, I've seen machines which pass tests all day long, yet when are used in a normal everyday situation, they exhibit weird behaviors that suggest they are unstable. (I'm fairly close to my work's IT staff, and have been on hand when they "run in" a new machine. They install an image of an OS install and the suite of software my work uses, then they test them using all sorts of tools -- some are familiar such as MemTest86+, Prime95, etc. The machine passes, yet it's inevitable that the IT staff will get a call that the same machine froze that day during normal operation.)

I'm not one to leave my machine on beyond the time I'm actually using it. Once I'm done with it, I turn it off. So perhaps I've not yet been caught by the inevitable failure that lurks behind long, protracted use.

Still, there's something to be said about having a fast machine that is also S&M stable. It might be my one expression of e-peen waving that all we PC enthusiasts seem to enjoy so much.
    
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