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In Vista, Windows key, followed by right, right, right, and the the U key. There are no further prompts. You can also program if you want for the PC power button to initiate the shutdown procedure in the Power Options. I use that for hibernate myself. You can also change the sleep button in the start menu to a power button from power options. NOTE: these must be set on a per-plan basis.
     
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For those who remember, I made an A64 memory calculator in Excel. The newest version (with forward compatibility to K10 CPUs and slight cosmetic changes) is available here.
     
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NICE! I used the DA last week and used 150 and 220 on my old 3200+ and Got the OC from 230HTT to 300HTT! But I am modding a hs (again) to try to keep the temps down and had to drop the multi to 8. will push farther when I get the heat under control.
BTW this is on my hybrid asrock with 2 512 mismatched value ram in single mode!!!!!
well actually i did most of the work on that cpu lapping...
Since my uncle needs the computer i'm using right now (his HTPC has finally died, RIP) i'm using these pieces to make my new rig to game on (and i don't have to pause his folding every weekend, which also help the cause).

worked on modding the system last night and after about an hour i got it to POST @ 300 x8 (2.41 GHz) 1.275v 34 degree C, -or-, 290 x9 (2.62) 1.4v 36 degrees C.

This going to be used mainly a a gaming system with

-7950 GTx2 vid card
-the 3200+ cpu
-custom hs
-asrock 939 dual-SATA mobo
-512mb 3200 kingston valueram and 512mb samsung 2100.

i was wondering what i should use as the main cpu configuration from the 2 listed above and also what drivers and OS for the best performance. i am pretty new at OC-ing so i'm not sure whether having a higher FSB (my uncle tells me it's called HTT but i hear it is interchangeable) and a lower GHz is better than the higher GHz with a lower FSB. All help on this is appreciated.
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Good luck with the paypal claim buddy. A8N32-Sli dlx is such a great ocer but I see you people having many problems with it. Makes me anxious about mine
Mike, the A8N32SLI deluxe is a great mobo. Personally, I haven't had any issues with it. Only reason I sold mine is because I simply like the DFI boards better when it comes down to OCing. They have lots more options in the BIOS for fine tuning of various components. And since I went with a single card solution I have no use for an 939 SLI board, because the 939 cpu bottlenecks todays high end GPUs'. It simply doesn't have the throughput required for 2 powerful gpus'.
Granted the AM3 board I'm going to go with is going to be a 32x crossfire board. But I feel as though the AM3 chip will be able to handle 2 4870s' without bottlenecking them like crazy, especially once the the 945 comes out.
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Forestol_Grimm: In an Intel system, it is FSB. In an AMD system, it is HTT.

As to which of the two overclocks would be preferable, I would THINK it is the 290x9. HOWEVER, there are more factors at play here than just the CPU. Namely, you also have the RAM to consider. The only way to be sure is to thoroughly test both with various games and benchmarks and go for the one that generally performs better with what you intend to use it for. So if one gets 1s faster in SuperPi, but the other gets 3 FPS more in Call of Duty 4, shoot for the higher FPS.

I would like to mention that mixing PC-3200 and PC-2100 may not be a very good idea. In order to ensure stability, you would need to run it at DDR-266 at the PC-3200's latencies. The answer? VERY low bandwidths for an AMD system. I see Hueristic was running them in single channel; this might help the mismatched nature some, but you are more likely to get higher bandwidth in dual-channel mode.



BlackOmega: More often than not, "bottlenecking" is caused by bad game coding. My Crysis gets far better FPS with a Deneb than with a Brisbane, but Call of Duty 4 is substantially similar.
     
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well actually i did most of the work on that cpu lapping...
Since my uncle needs the computer i'm using right now (his HTPC has finally died, RIP) i'm using these pieces to make my new rig to game on (and i don't have to pause his folding every weekend, which also help the cause).

worked on modding the system last night and after about an hour i got it to POST @ 300 x8 (2.41 GHz) 1.275v 34 degree C, -or-, 290 x9 (2.62) 1.4v 36 degrees C.

This going to be used mainly a a gaming system with

-7950 GTx2 vid card
-the 3200+ cpu
-custom hs
-asrock 939 dual-SATA mobo
-512mb 3200 kingston valueram and 512mb samsung 2100.

i was wondering what i should use as the main cpu configuration from the 2 listed above and also what drivers and OS for the best performance. i am pretty new at OC-ing so i'm not sure whether having a higher FSB (my uncle tells me it's called HTT but i hear it is interchangeable) and a lower GHz is better than the higher GHz with a lower FSB. All help on this is appreciated.
Well if you want to get technical FSB only applies to intel machines. HTT applies to AMD machines.
As for which oc is better, the higher one of course (as long as it's stable). And during my testing I've found that FSB/HTT makes no difference. Doesn't matter if you're at 2600MHz with 260fsb or 325, you're still @ 2600MHz. The only difference is that with 325 MHZ reference clock you'll need to up the chipset voltage for it to maintain speed, which in turn will increase your temps.
As for your OC's, the temps you've given, what did you use to get those numbers? Im assuming that is idle temp. What are the temps @ 100% load? That's whats really important.
Good luck
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Well if you want to get technical FSB only applies to intel machines. HTT applies to AMD machines.
As for which oc is better, the higher one of course (as long as it's stable). And during my testing I've found that FSB/HTT makes no difference. Doesn't matter if you're at 2600MHz with 260fsb or 325, you're still @ 2600MHz. The only difference is that with 325 MHZ reference clock you'll need to up the chipset voltage for it to maintain speed, which in turn will increase your temps.
As for your OC's, the temps you've given, what did you use to get those numbers? Im assuming that is idle temp. What are the temps @ 100% load? That's whats really important.
Good luck
Anther thing to consider is w/any Higher FSB/HTT your ram is gonna change or overclock so you may need to change the divider on the ram and play around w/your overclocks to find the fastest all around sweet spot that provides you with the best all around reliable & stable settings.

Good Luck,

N2G
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Nate, this is perfectly normal. My DFI Ultra D/G does the same thing. THe RAM LED is off and the standby one is on.
Also, I dont think using the power button to start the shut down procedure is good practice.
Personally, I go through the task manager. Its faster anyway. ctrl+alt-del, alt+u, u (or R if you want to restart). That'll take all of 1 second
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In Vista, Windows key, followed by right, right, right, and the the U key. There are no further prompts. You can also program if you want for the PC power button to initiate the shutdown procedure in the Power Options. I use that for hibernate myself. You can also change the sleep button in the start menu to a power button from power options. NOTE: these must be set on a per-plan basis.
I have my power button programmed to power off (the safe way).
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BlackOmega: More often than not, "bottlenecking" is caused by bad game coding. My Crysis gets far better FPS with a Deneb than with a Brisbane, but Call of Duty 4 is substantially similar.
I'll agree with you that coding has some to do with bottlenecking, the 939's incapability to exceed ~ 3100MHz is what the problem really boils down to. As I've noticed through my testing that the higher the cpu speed the higher the GPU results in every test. So thats an indicator to me that the CPU is no longer able to keep up with the GPU.

As for crysis, I don't have problems with it either. Avg 29.xx fps with 16xAA (@3003MHz). As a matter of fact, I dont have issues with any of todays games so far. Except I was getting kind of crappy framerates with UT3 with 24xAA forced, ~ 25.

As for my decision to go to AM3, I just simply want more cores. I'm planning on going with the 710 for now until I decide to crossfire, then Ill get a quad core of some sort depending on whats out.
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I am not sure that the ability to exceed 3100 MHz is really that pertinent. In tests between us, Pioneer's Denmark would beat my Brisbane in clock-to-clock situations. I am unsure if this is because of his greater cache or his greater HTT. In any even, benchmarks of his L1/L2 caches are far superior to mine, even though my memory would beat his.

It is only going to the newer STARS (Deneb/Heka/Callisto/Sparta) that AM2+ really starts to seriously threaten the end-stage 939 products, that is, Toledo/San Diego. 939 => AM2 is not an upgrade; it is a transgrade. 939 => AM2+/AM3 would in fact be an upgrade. It is interesting to note that AM2 seems to provide the peak bandwidth of an AMD system.

So far, in my testing, I have not been able to get my Deneb to compete with my Brisbane. I will be doing more tinkering lately, but the distinct northbridge seems to be a hindrance. Yes, it is easier to compute RAM speed than AM2 or 939, but because the NB is traditionally runner slower than the typical AM2/939 CPU, the memory bandwidth will be lower clock-for-clock.

For the record BlackOmega, at 3250 MHz, my average FPS was about the same as yours in Crysis. Proving how poorly coded it was.
     
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