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I am jealous of some of the computers my dad uses at work... 8-drive RAID 0 SCSI 15k RPM... hm... tasty... He says that nothing else has enough bandwidth for them to do what they want it to.
Blitz, what kind of work does your Dad do that requires him to have 8 drives in Raid 0? Sounds like the above is in a small array. Give us the details so we can drool (hitachi san, md1000/emc ect ect)

By the way are you sure they are SCSI drives and not SAS? The SCSI interface is old news.

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Might be SAS, might not be; I honestly do not know. I cant go too much in detail (national security and confidential type deals) but that configuration is the only thing with enough throughput to keep up with the data output of the device connected to them.
     
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Might be SAS, might not be; I honestly do not know. I cant go too much in detail (national security and confidential type deals) but that configuration is the only thing with enough throughput to keep up with the data output of the device connected to them.
epic
My aunt works for the military/government with computers, and has since the early years of computers. She has this neat-o "declassified" sticker on one of her laptops .

I've never seen one with a classified sticker . We have no idea what she does either.
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One day I would love to try a 16-drive RAID 10 built entirely of 256 GB SSDs. Sure the drives would cost $9600 or so, but think of the I/O! Sequential read of a single drive is upwards of 240 MBps, sequential write is upwards of 160 MBps. 2048 GB of storage with redundancy and nearly 7-times the throughput of a single drive is enough to make anyone drool I am sure. 8-times in an ideal world.

(RAID 10 is of course 8 pairs of mirrored drives hooked up in RAID 0. Alternatively, RAID 01 is two 8-drive RAID 0s that are mirrored. The former is better for data security; if you lose a drive, you have a 1/15 shot of killing the array before you can rebuild, as you must lose the other drive of that mirror. In a RAID 01 configuration, if you lose a drive, you have a 1/8 shot of killing the array before you can rebuild, as any one of the drives on the other side of the mirror can fail to kill the array.)
     
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One day I would love to try a 16-drive RAID 10 built entirely of 256 GB SSDs. Sure the drives would cost $9600 or so, but think of the I/O! Sequential read of a single drive is upwards of 240 MBps, sequential write is upwards of 160 MBps. 2048 GB of storage with redundancy and nearly 7-times the throughput of a single drive is enough to make anyone drool I am sure. 8-times in an ideal world.

(RAID 10 is of course 8 pairs of mirrored drives hooked up in RAID 0. Alternatively, RAID 01 is two 8-drive RAID 0s that are mirrored. The former is better for data security; if you lose a drive, you have a 1/15 shot of killing the array before you can rebuild, as you must lose the other drive of that mirror. In a RAID 01 configuration, if you lose a drive, you have a 1/8 shot of killing the array before you can rebuild, as any one of the drives on the other side of the mirror can fail to kill the array.)

Sure would be worth all the money and effort if you have a Mobo capable of handling 4 onboard chips for a total of 16 cores.

Now that is when you would have some seriouse I/O power and would be able to host multiple Virtual game servers, Web servers, File servers and Phone servers all from one pc and never have to shut it down. Can you say Dollar Dollar bill Y'all
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Yeah... but can it play Crysis? (Sorry... I just had to.)
     
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Yeah... but can it play Crysis? (Sorry... I just had to.)
Dude, you did not specify what hardware in question. So let me fill in the gaps. Intell Core 7 940 CPU's x 4 and the baddest GPUs on the market thus far prolly GTX295 x 4 or something along those lines.

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I am not sure that the ability to exceed 3100 MHz is really that pertinent. In tests between us, Pioneer's Denmark would beat my Brisbane in clock-to-clock situations. I am unsure if this is because of his greater cache or his greater HTT. In any even, benchmarks of his L1/L2 caches are far superior to mine, even though my memory would beat his.

It is only going to the newer STARS (Deneb/Heka/Callisto/Sparta) that AM2+ really starts to seriously threaten the end-stage 939 products, that is, Toledo/San Diego. 939 => AM2 is not an upgrade; it is a transgrade. 939 => AM2+/AM3 would in fact be an upgrade. It is interesting to note that AM2 seems to provide the peak bandwidth of an AMD system.

So far, in my testing, I have not been able to get my Deneb to compete with my Brisbane. I will be doing more tinkering lately, but the distinct northbridge seems to be a hindrance. Yes, it is easier to compute RAM speed than AM2 or 939, but because the NB is traditionally runner slower than the typical AM2/939 CPU, the memory bandwidth will be lower clock-for-clock.

For the record BlackOmega, at 3250 MHz, my average FPS was about the same as yours in Crysis. Proving how poorly coded it was.
wow with the 4870x2 you got the same? THen yeah super bad coding, lol. supposedly warhead is a lot better.
And I know Am2/AM2+ was not really an upgrade. As I saw pez's 3dmark results and my opty180 actually scored higher than his CPU (brisbane?). But on the opposite side of the same token, his SM2.0/3.0 scores were higher. At first I was thinking that it had to do with the PCIe slots, but after doing some research that can't possibly be it. As a PCIe 1.0 slots has more than enough bandwidth for even todays GPUs'.
So my only other assumption is memory bandwidth. Perhaps DDR2, just has a lot more bandwidth than my DDR @ stock?
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Pez has a Kuma. That is a dual-core Agena. Like a Brisbane, it is a 65 nm CPU, but unlike a Brisbane, it has a DDR2-1066 memory controller, a dedicated NB (a bad thing in my testing so far), and L3 cache. As to the PCI-E comment, a PCI-E 1.0 slot will DEFINITELY bottleneck an HD 4870x2 or GTX-295. Whether or not it will affect an HD 4870 is a different question.

And no BlackOmega, you likely out bandwidth Pez. Pez is running an AM2+ CPU. Like I said, AM2+ tend to have a lower bandwidth than AM2. My Brisbane got about 9300 MBps for DDR2-813. This would be the same as DDR-582 thereabouts. However, I did with 4 GB what 939 would only be able to do with 2x1024. On the other hand, my Deneb runs stock DDR2-1066 @ 7400 MBps. Assuming again only 2 GB, that is DDR-463. Like I said, this likely has to do with the northbridge. My Brisbane was running a 3250 MHz northbridge. (In K8s, the CPU speed is the northbridge speed, hence why the formulae are so tricky.) The Deneb is 1800 MHz stock, although I am experimenting getting it higher. Increases in the NB translate to massive gains on the RAM bandwidth. If I remember right, increasing it to 2200 MHz increased my bandwidth to 8800 MBps.
     
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I get about 7300MB/s as far as bandwidth on my memory. I re-ran 3DMark06 and my CPU scores about 2300 now and I'm not sure what the others are...the score is in my sig.

EDIT: BTW, the only cards that a PCI-e 1.0 bottlenecks are like 4850x2's, 4870x2's, and the new GTX285/295. It could possible bottleneck a 4870, but not likely.
 
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