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BLitz, I think I screwed up my MB/s and GB/s .
But considering that, then solely looking at the numbers, even the PCIe2.0 slot would technically bottleneck also. Considering that PCIe2.0 has a bandwidth of 500MB/s and even my GSO in a PCIex2 slot has a bandwidth of 39.2GB/s.

Whats your take on that?

As for memory, I'll have to download everest again and check it. I remember last time I checked it, it was up pretty high even at stock speeds.
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If you are running 2x1024 MB DDR-400 1:1, you would expect around 6400 MBps in dual-channel mode. DDR-500 1:1 is around 8000 MBps.

As to the graphics cards: 39.2 GBps is the GDDR RAM on the card. This is independent of the bandwidth going to the motherboard.
     
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This is Forestol_grimm using Hueristic's account.

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Forestol_Grimm: In an Intel system, it is FSB. In
an AMD system, it is HTT.

As to which of the two overclocks would be preferable, I would THINK it is the 290x9. HOWEVER, there are more factors at play here than just the CPU. Namely, you also have the RAM to consider. The only way to be sure is to thoroughly test both with various games and benchmarks and go for the one that generally performs better with what you intend to use it for. So if one gets 1s faster in SuperPi, but the other gets 3 FPS more in Call of Duty 4, shoot for the higher FPS.

I would like to mention that mixing PC-3200 and PC-2100 may not be a very good idea. In order to ensure stability, you would need to run it at DDR-266 at the PC-3200's latencies. The answer? VERY low bandwidths for an AMD system. I see Hueristic was running them in single channel; this might help the mismatched nature some, but you are more likely to get higher bandwidth in dual-channel mode.
i can't seem to find a way to force a dual-channel in the bios despite running both at 133.


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Well if you want to get technical FSB only applies to intel machines. HTT applies to AMD machines.
As for which oc is better, the higher one of course (as long as it's stable). And during my testing I've found that FSB/HTT makes no difference. Doesn't matter if you're at 2600MHz with 260fsb or 325, you're still @ 2600MHz. The only difference is that with 325 MHZ reference clock you'll need to up the chipset voltage for it to maintain speed, which in turn will increase your temps.
As for your OC's, the temps you've given, what did you use to get those numbers? Im assuming that is idle temp. What are the temps @ 100% load? That's whats really important.
Good luck
those temps were at idle and i'll post the temps at full load when the system is up and running.


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Anther thing to consider is w/any Higher FSB/HTT your ram is gonna change or overclock so you may need to change the divider on the ram and play around w/your overclocks to find the fastest all around sweet spot the provides you with the best all around reliabl stable settings.

Good Luck,

N2G
I'm not sure what you mean here. It might be because i have a headache and can't focus but i have no idea what you are saying with the ram dividers.
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i can't seem to find a way to force a dual-channel in the bios despite running both at 133.
Dual-channel is hardware, not software. Unplug the PC, move a DIMM over one slot, and boot. It should be in dual-channel in theory.
     
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Sup, I'm back in my chair. Trying to teach him how to not rely on me all the time. He has to learn these things himself and the first step is to learn how to communicate with people and how to find the right people to communicate with in the first place.

Not to mention you guys are more up on 939 then I am. LOL

He's back changeing PS's right now, After putting it in the case and adding the 7950X2 it wouldn't boot.

Been there done that! So anyway appreciate all the help you guys give him. He's got 1 more year (next year is last in high school) before I'm a country away and he won't have me around to rely on.

got him checking the voltage drop on the 12v rails right now as it is booting sporadic now (probably do to the draw from the gpu with the crappy 430w ps's I got here.
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I'm not sure what you mean here. It might be because i have a headache and can't focus but i have no idea what you are saying with the ram dividers.
blitz mentioned duel channel fix if you have not already tried that. duel channel requires your ram dims to be in the correct ram slots to work in a duel channel configuration.

I'm sorry if I confused U with the ram divider sentence. What I meant was that if he is raising his FSB and running his ram at DDR400 then his ram is going to overclock w/the FSB. So He would have to lower his ram divider or ram spd from ddr400 to say ddr366 or dd333. That's what I meant.
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One day I would love to try a 16-drive RAID 10 built entirely of 256 GB SSDs. Sure the drives would cost $9600 or so, but think of the I/O! Sequential read of a single drive is upwards of 240 MBps, sequential write is upwards of 160 MBps. 2048 GB of storage with redundancy and nearly 7-times the throughput of a single drive is enough to make anyone drool I am sure. 8-times in an ideal world.
Blitz, we have a few SANs similar to that at work. I have barely played with them though. We had an Hitachi guy come out and configure most of it. We paid for the support so why not use it. The drives aren't SSD though, they are fiber channel and believe we have the array split on separate channels with one drive being a hot spare. I can't exactly remember. I've know slightly more about Dell's EMC equipment than anything which surprisingly easy to manage.

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Now that is when you would have some seriouse I/O power and would be able to host multiple Virtual game servers, Web servers, File servers and Phone servers all from one pc and never have to shut it down. Can you say Dollar Dollar bill Y'all
N2Gaming, depends what kind of storage device you're referring to. A SAN is stand-alone. A disk array is usually hooked up to a server (via sas cables, perc 6/i controller ect). Most if not all of those type of devices are typically used for large databases. A web server (mentioned above) doesn't have to be beefy. Bandwidth is more important for a front end web server.

Sorry for the OT
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Blitz, we have a few SANs similar to that at work. I have barely played with them though. We had an Hitachi guy come out and configure most of it. We paid for the support so why not use it. The drives aren't SSD though, they are fiber channel and believe we have the array split on separate channels with one drive being a hot spare. I can't exactly remember. I've know slightly more about Dell's EMC equipment than anything which surprisingly easy to manage.



N2Gaming, depends what kind of storage device you're referring to. A SAN is stand-alone. A disk array is usually hooked up to a server (via sas cables, perc 6/i controller ect). Most if not all of those type of devices are typically used for large databases. A web server (mentioned above) doesn't have to be beefy. Bandwidth is more important for a front end web server.

Sorry for the OT
Thanks thlnk3r, I mostly was hypothisizin w/blitz about his wish to have $9k worth of drives to test bandwidth and I figured I would throw a monkey wrench in the program. I have never ever run any kind of scsi or raid configuration so I know zero about it when it comes to hands on experience. I have read up on it but have not had the money to do a 4 disk raid 0+1 or raid 5 BOD yet. BOD bunch of disks.
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Thanks thlnk3r, I mostly was hypothisizin w/blitz about his wish to have $9k worth of drives to test bandwidth and I figured I would throw a monkey wrench in the program. I have never ever run any kind of scsi or raid configuration so I know zero about it when it comes to hands on experience. I have read up on it but have not had the money to do a 4 disk raid 0+1 or raid 5 BOD yet. BOD bunch of disks.
N2Gaming, if you're interested here a article that covers most of RAID: http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=886. Plenty of diagrams and information that should help you out. Also here is a raid calculator that I use a lot: http://www.ibeast.com/content/tools/...c/RaidCalc.asp.

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N2Gaming, if you're interested here a article that covers most of RAID: http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=886. Plenty of diagrams and information that should help you out. Also here is a raid calculator that I use a lot: http://www.ibeast.com/content/tools/...c/RaidCalc.asp.

Hope that helps
Thanks thlnker, my brain is about to freez or crash and reboot. I'm writing the flash Article now. and will take a look at it later I will copy the shortcut to the post and pm it to my self for later viewing thnx again bro.
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