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Something I notice with RAID0 setups: the speed is more consistent. You get about half-way through the volume before speed starts taking a massive drop. Maybe this means that you are limited by the bus? (That is, your drives could go faster in the begining, but the bandwidth of SATA-I limits you.)

If you just put the card in the lower slot, what happens? In my two Crossfire boards, both 32x, you could put the GPU in either slot and it would work fine. On my Abit, the "primary" slot, the one that needed the master card in a crossfire setup, was the bottom slot. On my DFI, the "primary" slot is the top one.
I thought that SATA-I had a throughput of ~150mb/s? So if thats the case I'm nowhere near that speed. I'm barely at the Ultra ATA speed of 125mb/s. Well when my new board shows up I'll try try to run a RAID setup on the ULi chipset and see what happens.

As for the video card slot, IIRC when I was swapping stuff over to the CFX I tried the lower slot and it didn't work. And I had to swap the chipset fan back over to the CFX board because the thermaltake cooler is too tall for any video card to fit in the top slot. I know on my NF4 chipset boards that there is usually a BIOS setting that needs to be changed for it to recognize which slot is the primary graphics adapter.
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Something I notice with RAID0 setups: the speed is more consistent. You get about half-way through the volume before speed starts taking a massive drop. Maybe this means that you are limited by the bus? (That is, your drives could go faster in the begining, but the bandwidth of SATA-I limits you.)
Blitz, it could also be that the controller isn't up to the task as well. Doesn't matter how fast your drives are, it always comes down to the controller...know what I mean?

I haven't seen you around in a while, it's been too quiet here

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I thought that SATA-I had a throughput of ~150mb/s? So if thats the case I'm nowhere near that speed. I'm barely at the Ultra ATA speed of 125mb/s. Well when my new board shows up I'll try try to run a RAID setup on the ULi chipset and see what happens.
BlackOmega, I have feeling that may also be the fact that these are 7,200rpm drives. In most cases your above issue is normal. Obviously Averages Reads you'll never going to see 150MB/s. Same applies for Burst. My Raptor only did 72MB/s Avg Read and 134MB/s Burst (just checked a old screen shot). If you had your drives on the SATA II controller then you would see higher burst speeds.

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I am trying Thlnk3r; this house is very noncondusive to my computing happiness. If I wish to use a computer, my options are:

My dad's E6850 C2D
My laptop's T7700 C2D
My sister's P4D 820
My other sister's P4HT 3.0

All Intel... all the time... *goes crazy.*

And yes, the drives he has are 7200 RPM. What I mean is interesting though is that RAID 0 setups seem to hold a steady clip for the first half the volume and then drop off. (I saw similar with my RAID 0 setup.) Single drives drop off immediately going through the volume. I wonder why.
     
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Blitz, it could also be that the controller isn't up to the task as well. Doesn't matter how fast your drives are, it always comes down to the controller...know what I mean?

I haven't seen you around in a while, it's been too quiet here



BlackOmega, I have feeling that may also be the fact that these are 7,200rpm drives. In most cases your above issue is normal. Obviously Averages Reads you'll never going to see 150MB/s. Same applies for Burst. My Raptor only did 72MB/s Avg Read and 134MB/s Burst (just checked a old screen shot). If you had your drives on the SATA II controller then you would see higher burst speeds.

Good luck
I'll run a benchmarks on the SATAII controller and see if there is any increase in speed.

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I am trying Thlnk3r; this house is very noncondusive to my computing happiness. If I wish to use a computer, my options are:

My dad's E6850 C2D
My laptop's T7700 C2D
My sister's P4D 820
My other sister's P4HT 3.0

All Intel... all the time... *goes crazy.*

And yes, the drives he has are 7200 RPM. What I mean is interesting though is that RAID 0 setups seem to hold a steady clip for the first half the volume and then drop off. (I saw similar with my RAID 0 setup.) Single drives drop off immediately going through the volume. I wonder why.
AHHHHHHH you're surrounded by INTEL! Well at least thats better than my house if I want to use anything other than my rigs I have to use my wifes Mac . That thing is hella slow.

And I was wondering about that also when looking at the graph in HDtach. It seems up to 250GB everything is moving along nice and uniform like, then @ 252 GB it goes all over the place. Maybe it has to do with the controller like thinker said. I wonder if there are any RAID controller comparisons. Like a PCI controller and a onboard controller.
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For my Birthday next month, I am planning on getting a new sound card. I am tired of needing to use the Daniel K drivers and want a product designed for Vista from the ground up. Maybe for Christmas I can get another HD 4870x2 and larger PSU. I am willing to bet it still will not play Crysis.
     
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I just remembered, i forgot to tell you guys i Overclocked my athlon. Just an easy 200mhz increase, nothing too hectic
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I just remembered, i forgot to tell you guys i Overclocked my athlon. Just an easy 200mhz increase, nothing too hectic
Woah, easy there killer
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Maybe it has to do with the controller like thinker said. I wonder if there are any RAID controller comparisons. Like a PCI controller and a onboard controller.
BlackOmega, the controller makes a HUGE difference on performance. Even if it has RAID it doesn't mean it does it well. Try doing a google search for your controller "versus" another onboard controller. I'm sure something will turn up.

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I just remembered, i forgot to tell you guys i Overclocked my athlon. Just an easy 200mhz increase, nothing too hectic
Loony, include a CPU-Z validation link or screen shot and I'll add to the roster

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I depart shortly; will be on tonight. Supposedly, my RAM and CPU cooler have been delivered. I know it is not 939, but I would love it to finally have a PC working 100%. However, since the leasing office will be closed by the time I get to Buffalo (most likely) I will not be able to load them in until Monday.

For my Birthday next month, I am planning on getting a new sound card. I am tired of needing to use the Daniel K drivers and want a product designed for Vista from the ground up. Maybe for Christmas I can get another HD 4870x2 and larger PSU. I am willing to bet it still will not play Crysis.

, hell it should play crysis like a champ right now. I mean its totally playable for me (the demo anyway). ~30 fps with 16xAA @ 1680x1050. Weird thing is, whether I have AA enabled or not is a difference of literally 1-2 fps.

Have you used any custom configs? You can make it look like this.


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BlackOmega, the controller makes a HUGE difference on performance. Even if it has RAID it doesn't mean it does it well. Try doing a google search for your controller "versus" another onboard controller. I'm sure something will turn up.
So I did a search and it seems overwhelmingly that good RAID controllers are just not worth the money unless you have a server and absolutely need the best RAID controller with ECC and all that stuff. And seeing as a good card with onboard memory and such are really expensive, this is not even an option just because of the price itself. So looks like onboard RAID it is. Also, I've found that a RAID controller will not make it any faster just more consistent. Which may or may not improve overall speed.

Maybe I'll just try all the different RAID controllers on my boards and see if there is a difference with them or not.
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