Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD - General › The Socket 939 Appreciation Club and Knowledgebase [Official]
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Socket 939 Appreciation Club and Knowledgebase [Official] - Page 1583

post #15821 of 28706
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kryton View Post
I've done this before to a San Diego I had that was running hot all the time, then realized the cooler I had woudn't work with it.
Used Black Form-A-Gasket to redo the seal after using AS5 on the inside and it did help but still ran hot.

You're hitting 65c at 1.35v? Something is wrong there - Gotta be. For the record, I never like seeing my chips go over 50c for any reason. Thats what my 165 does but after trying it with my watercooling setup, temps went down dramatically.
I was glad to see that!
No @ 1.35v It hits maybe 61*C (using coretemp), using smartguardian ~50*C. But from what I gather, smartguardian gets its reading from the BIOS which is IHS temp and coretemp measures the actual cores. The difference between the 2 is as much as 15*C under load.

And I was hitting 65*C @ 1.43v. I was playing around with my fan configuration in my case. Making the front top fan an intake and the rear an exhaust, etc. Trying to get better cooling to the PWM IC's. While it did help PWM IC and NB temps (~3*C) it actually made my CPU temp worse.
So I have yet again removed them.
Black Box
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k Asus P8Z77-Vpro Evga 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
A-Data 128GB SSD Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Pioneer BDR-207DBK Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 pro 64 Hannspree 25" 1080p LCD 2ms Razer Lycosa PC Power & Cooling 760w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 550D MX 518 Allsop Creative XFi Xtreme music 
  hide details  
Reply
Black Box
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k Asus P8Z77-Vpro Evga 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
A-Data 128GB SSD Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Pioneer BDR-207DBK Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 pro 64 Hannspree 25" 1080p LCD 2ms Razer Lycosa PC Power & Cooling 760w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 550D MX 518 Allsop Creative XFi Xtreme music 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15822 of 28706
Remember Tator, cooling systems can only go so far. Another big part of cooling is the ambient temperatures. No matter how much better Joe's cooling system is than mine, my idle and load temperatures will almost always be lower given solely my lower ambient temperature.
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3770k ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 EVGA GeForce GTX 780 FTW (03G-P4-3784-KR) Crucial Ballistix Sport 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ Hitachi Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 HDS721075KLA330 Hitachi X Mobile 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG CH08LS10 (SATA BD-R / DVD±R / CD-RW) Prolimatech Megashadow Scythe S-Flex SFF21G x2 Scythe S-Flex SFF21F x2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Thermalright TR-FDB-1600 x4 XCLIO Amazing Fan 250mm Scythe Kama Bay SCKB-1000BK x3 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 
OSOSOSOS
Windows XP Home x64 SP3 (via Virtualbox) Fedora 15 LXDE (via Virtualbox) Slackware Linux XFCE (via Virtualbox) DOS 5.0 (via DOSbox) 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
LG 47LH40 Acer G276HL Gbd Acer G276HL Gbd Unicomp Classic 104 Black Buckling Spring PS2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Silverstone OP1000-E Modded Thermaltake Armor VA8003BWS Logitech G500 Massive generic black foam mat 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty C... Denon AVR-1910 Polk Audio Monitor 40 Polk Audio Monitor 30 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Polk Audio CS1 Polk Audio PSW10 Jamo C400SUR Plantronics Gamecom 377 
AudioOtherOtherOther
LG HBM-235 Genovation ControlPad 683 Canon Imageclass MF4450 12" Dual White Cold Cathode Kit x3 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Microsoft Strategic Commander UPEK Eikon Digital Privacy Manager Logitech G27 Playseat Revolution (NASCAR) 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Playseat Revolution Gearshift Holder Sony DualShock 3 Microsoft Lifecam VX-1000 D-Link DBT-120 
OtherOther
APC SMT1500 HP Photosmart 3210xi All-in-One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Duo T7700 Merom Toshiba ISRAA 1.0 (Socket 479) ATI Mobility Radeon HD2600 modded CCC 10.6 OCZ2MV6674GK 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Hitachi Travelstar 7K500 HD20500 Western Digital Caviar Blue (WD6400BEVT-22A0RT0) Matshita DVD-RAM UJ-850S ATA Stock heatpipe system 
CoolingOSOSOS
Thermaltake Massive23 CS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Windows XP Home x64 SP3 (via Virtualbox) DOS 5.0 (via DOSbox) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
17.0" Diagonal Widescreen WSXGA+ Internal only 19 V, 6.32 A Stock 17" Satellite shell (8.5 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G500 Small generic black foam mat HP Thin USB Powered Speakers Fiio E5 Headphone Amplifier 
AudioOtherOther
Griffin iTrip P1141 Microsoft GPS 168 Toshiba Backpack PA1366U-1NCS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ Barton Hewlett-Packard 0024 ATI Mobility Radeon IGP-320M Crucial CT6464X265.16FG 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Toshiba MK4021GAS Toshiba SD-R2512 Stock heatpipes Windows XP Home SP3 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
15.0" XGA TFT Internal only 18.5 V, 4.9 A Stock 15" Pavilion Shell (8 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech MX510 Gaming Optical Generic gel-based green Internal Altec Lansing only Targus PAU10KU 
OtherOther
D-Link DWL-G650M Generic black messenger-style bag 
  hide details  
Reply
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7-3770k ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 EVGA GeForce GTX 780 FTW (03G-P4-3784-KR) Crucial Ballistix Sport 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ Hitachi Deskstar 5K3000 HDS5C3020ALA632 Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000 HDS721075KLA330 Hitachi X Mobile 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG CH08LS10 (SATA BD-R / DVD±R / CD-RW) Prolimatech Megashadow Scythe S-Flex SFF21G x2 Scythe S-Flex SFF21F x2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Thermalright TR-FDB-1600 x4 XCLIO Amazing Fan 250mm Scythe Kama Bay SCKB-1000BK x3 Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 
OSOSOSOS
Windows XP Home x64 SP3 (via Virtualbox) Fedora 15 LXDE (via Virtualbox) Slackware Linux XFCE (via Virtualbox) DOS 5.0 (via DOSbox) 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
LG 47LH40 Acer G276HL Gbd Acer G276HL Gbd Unicomp Classic 104 Black Buckling Spring PS2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Silverstone OP1000-E Modded Thermaltake Armor VA8003BWS Logitech G500 Massive generic black foam mat 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty C... Denon AVR-1910 Polk Audio Monitor 40 Polk Audio Monitor 30 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
Polk Audio CS1 Polk Audio PSW10 Jamo C400SUR Plantronics Gamecom 377 
AudioOtherOtherOther
LG HBM-235 Genovation ControlPad 683 Canon Imageclass MF4450 12" Dual White Cold Cathode Kit x3 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Microsoft Strategic Commander UPEK Eikon Digital Privacy Manager Logitech G27 Playseat Revolution (NASCAR) 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Playseat Revolution Gearshift Holder Sony DualShock 3 Microsoft Lifecam VX-1000 D-Link DBT-120 
OtherOther
APC SMT1500 HP Photosmart 3210xi All-in-One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core 2 Duo T7700 Merom Toshiba ISRAA 1.0 (Socket 479) ATI Mobility Radeon HD2600 modded CCC 10.6 OCZ2MV6674GK 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Hitachi Travelstar 7K500 HD20500 Western Digital Caviar Blue (WD6400BEVT-22A0RT0) Matshita DVD-RAM UJ-850S ATA Stock heatpipe system 
CoolingOSOSOS
Thermaltake Massive23 CS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Windows XP Home x64 SP3 (via Virtualbox) DOS 5.0 (via DOSbox) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
17.0" Diagonal Widescreen WSXGA+ Internal only 19 V, 6.32 A Stock 17" Satellite shell (8.5 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G500 Small generic black foam mat HP Thin USB Powered Speakers Fiio E5 Headphone Amplifier 
AudioOtherOther
Griffin iTrip P1141 Microsoft GPS 168 Toshiba Backpack PA1366U-1NCS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ Barton Hewlett-Packard 0024 ATI Mobility Radeon IGP-320M Crucial CT6464X265.16FG 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Toshiba MK4021GAS Toshiba SD-R2512 Stock heatpipes Windows XP Home SP3 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
15.0" XGA TFT Internal only 18.5 V, 4.9 A Stock 15" Pavilion Shell (8 lbs) 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech MX510 Gaming Optical Generic gel-based green Internal Altec Lansing only Targus PAU10KU 
OtherOther
D-Link DWL-G650M Generic black messenger-style bag 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15823 of 28706
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackOmega View Post
No @ 1.35v It hits maybe 61*C (using coretemp), using smartguardian ~50*C. But from what I gather, smartguardian gets its reading from the BIOS which is IHS temp and coretemp measures the actual cores. The difference between the 2 is as much as 15*C under load.

And I was hitting 65*C @ 1.43v. I was playing around with my fan configuration in my case. Making the front top fan an intake and the rear an exhaust, etc. Trying to get better cooling to the PWM IC's. While it did help PWM IC and NB temps (~3*C) it actually made my CPU temp worse.
So I have yet again removed them.
Then looks like you're OK then.
Since setting this up with watercooling here, I've had some great temps with my CPUs but some stability issues with the board itself.
Believe it to be PWM temps since now I really don't have alot of airflow going through the case at the moment but I do have a 120mm fan blowing on my RAM and in the PWM area. I'm working to get it better and more stable since for now, it passed a 1hr run in OCCT at 2800MHz but failed at 2900MHz inspite of CPU temps never going over 28C @ 1.400v according to my temp monitor. There are still a few areas I need to get airflow going to other than where it's at now and will do some things to get that setup, then do another stability test.

Once I get all the wrinkles smoothed out, I'll go for a high speed stability test. Posted a pic below of how I have things setup for this extra airflow for now. You'll note what else is present too - The 120mm fan is behind the rad where you can't see it but it's there.

Edited by Kryton - 5/29/09 at 10:03pm
Smeg-O-Rama
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8300 Crosshair V-Z Some old piece of smeg that actually works...? C.R.S. 
CoolingMonitorPower
Scythe Susanoo Asus VH238-H 23' LCD 1600 little pink bunnies with drums..... 
  hide details  
Reply
Smeg-O-Rama
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8300 Crosshair V-Z Some old piece of smeg that actually works...? C.R.S. 
CoolingMonitorPower
Scythe Susanoo Asus VH238-H 23' LCD 1600 little pink bunnies with drums..... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15824 of 28706
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kryton View Post
Then looks like you're OK then.
Since setting this up with watercooling here, I've had some great temps with my CPUs but some stability issues with the board itself.
Believe it to be PWM temps since now I really don't have alot of airflow going through the case at the moment but I do have a 120mm fan blowing on my RAM and in the PWM area. I'm working to get it better and more stable since for now, it passed a 1hr run in OCCT at 2800MHz but failed at 2900MHz inspite of CPU temps never going over 28C @ 1.400v according to my temp monitor. There are still a few areas I need to get airflow going to other than where it's at now and will do some things to get that setup, then do another stability test.

Once I get all the wrinkles smoothed out, I'll go for a high speed stability test. Posted a pic below of how I have things setup for this extra airflow for now. You'll note what else is present too - The 120mm fan is behind the rad where you can't see it but it's there.
Kryton, I personally have found OCCT, Prime 95 and Orthos to be one and the same and not really good for testing a 939. Personally, I run nothing but S&M (you can find a link on the first page of this thread), be warned of the dreaded FPU test, then I run a barrage of other things like running 3dmark, Crysis benchmark and just simply gaming.
In my experience, some of my overclocks fail OCCT/prime/orthos yet pass S&M and have no stability issues.

Im wondering if there's a way to actively cool the PWM IC's. During my last stress test they were getting pretty warm, 52*C IIRC. I'm thinking of mounting another front intake fan to not only supply fresh air for the CPU but also hit the PWM IC heatsinks at the proper angle.
Black Box
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k Asus P8Z77-Vpro Evga 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
A-Data 128GB SSD Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Pioneer BDR-207DBK Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 pro 64 Hannspree 25" 1080p LCD 2ms Razer Lycosa PC Power & Cooling 760w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 550D MX 518 Allsop Creative XFi Xtreme music 
  hide details  
Reply
Black Box
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k Asus P8Z77-Vpro Evga 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
A-Data 128GB SSD Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Pioneer BDR-207DBK Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 pro 64 Hannspree 25" 1080p LCD 2ms Razer Lycosa PC Power & Cooling 760w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 550D MX 518 Allsop Creative XFi Xtreme music 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15825 of 28706
I guess we're in the same boat right now related to PWM temps. I have some spare fans I'm going to setup to getting more air moving where I'd like for it to and see how it does.

Downloaded S&M and also found a program called CPU Damage I'll use to see how much stress it can put on the system and temps it hits.
Edited by Kryton - 5/30/09 at 12:26am
Smeg-O-Rama
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8300 Crosshair V-Z Some old piece of smeg that actually works...? C.R.S. 
CoolingMonitorPower
Scythe Susanoo Asus VH238-H 23' LCD 1600 little pink bunnies with drums..... 
  hide details  
Reply
Smeg-O-Rama
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8300 Crosshair V-Z Some old piece of smeg that actually works...? C.R.S. 
CoolingMonitorPower
Scythe Susanoo Asus VH238-H 23' LCD 1600 little pink bunnies with drums..... 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15826 of 28706
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackOmega View Post
Im wondering if there's a way to actively cool the PWM IC's. During my last stress test they were getting pretty warm, 52*C IIRC. I'm thinking of mounting another front intake fan to not only supply fresh air for the CPU but also hit the PWM IC heatsinks at the proper angle.
BlackOmega, I noticed a huge improvement over my PWM temperatures when I reversed the fans that are located on top of my case. I turned them around so they would intake instead of exhausting. It doesn't appear your Centurion 590 has any top exhaust ports though

During stress testing with Orthos they would never go above 40C-42C with a 26C room ambient.

Good luck
Workstation
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon II X4 620 Asus M4A785-M Asus 5770 G.Skill 8GB DDR2-800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WD3200AAJS Windows 7 Pro Acer AL2216W, Samsung P2770 Corsair 550VX 
Case
Tagan Black Pearl 
  hide details  
Reply
Workstation
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon II X4 620 Asus M4A785-M Asus 5770 G.Skill 8GB DDR2-800 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WD3200AAJS Windows 7 Pro Acer AL2216W, Samsung P2770 Corsair 550VX 
Case
Tagan Black Pearl 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15827 of 28706
Thread Starter 
You could always just strap a fan (or even something like the Antec Spot-Cool) anywhere near the PWM ICs.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC3 10600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Almost 8TB of storage AMD Stock Cooler Windows Home Server CoolerMaster SilentPro M 700W 
Case
Lian Li PC-V2000B (with thlnk3r mods) 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC3 10600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Almost 8TB of storage AMD Stock Cooler Windows Home Server CoolerMaster SilentPro M 700W 
Case
Lian Li PC-V2000B (with thlnk3r mods) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15828 of 28706
Quote:
Originally Posted by thlnk3r View Post
BlackOmega, I noticed a huge improvement over my PWM temperatures when I reversed the fans that are located on top of my case. I turned them around so they would intake instead of exhausting. It doesn't appear your Centurion 590 has any top exhaust ports though

During stress testing with Orthos they would never go above 40C-42C with a 26C room ambient.

Good luck

Actually I can mount up to 2 140mm fans up there

But I think the issue at that point become that either I'm bringing hot air back in to the system or theres an airflow conflict with the CPU fan, that Im using in a push configuration.
Aside from that the way the heatsinks are, it only hits the upper most one and the rest dont really get any good airflow.
Black Box
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k Asus P8Z77-Vpro Evga 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
A-Data 128GB SSD Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Pioneer BDR-207DBK Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 pro 64 Hannspree 25" 1080p LCD 2ms Razer Lycosa PC Power & Cooling 760w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 550D MX 518 Allsop Creative XFi Xtreme music 
  hide details  
Reply
Black Box
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770k Asus P8Z77-Vpro Evga 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
A-Data 128GB SSD Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Pioneer BDR-207DBK Corsair H80 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win 7 pro 64 Hannspree 25" 1080p LCD 2ms Razer Lycosa PC Power & Cooling 760w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair 550D MX 518 Allsop Creative XFi Xtreme music 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15829 of 28706
IF you guys wanna go "balls to the Walls" on your Power management cooling the best way is to remove the IC's and stand them upright and heatsink the backside of them.

Edit: Woops forgot, Many new VRM's actually disipate better from the front now so I would recommend

1. research your VRM and Cool appropriately
or
2. Hs both sides after standing them up.
post #15830 of 28706
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Joe, while this is correct, you can also re-attach your IHS if you still have it.

You just need something that is nonconductive to do so. I used MX-2 TIM to re-attach the IHS to my Skt 939 3500+. While I can say it's not the best you can do (some industrial compounds can be used, but they are harder to come by) it sure did work out well.

And lapping an IHS with no CPU attached is much easier
True.

But this rather negates the whole point of taking the IHS off of the CPU, though, doesn't it?
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC3 10600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Almost 8TB of storage AMD Stock Cooler Windows Home Server CoolerMaster SilentPro M 700W 
Case
Lian Li PC-V2000B (with thlnk3r mods) 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC3 10600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Almost 8TB of storage AMD Stock Cooler Windows Home Server CoolerMaster SilentPro M 700W 
Case
Lian Li PC-V2000B (with thlnk3r mods) 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AMD - General
Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD - General › The Socket 939 Appreciation Club and Knowledgebase [Official]