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N2Gaming: AM3 CPUs have 938 pins, AM3 sockets have 941 pins. AM2+ CPUs and sockets have 940 pins. The keying is as such that the AM2+ CPUs do not fit in AM3 sockets, and I am amazed how many people post negative reviews about AM3 boards citing that their X4 940 does not fit.
What makes me curiouse about the 941 pins is this. Does AMD have plans in the future to utilize the extra 3 pins for faster ram etc etc?

Physx Cards: Does win XP take advantage of a seperate Physx card. I know I have the option in the Nvidia control panel to turn Physx on but I don't even know if it helps any. I'm trying to use it w/a 8600GTS and I have read that a 8600 would actually slow a system down if running Physx through it if you have faster SLI cards in play.
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As far as I know, SLI beats GPU+PhysX if you have two identical cards. The point of offering a distinct PhysX card instead of relying solely on CUDA is to permit you to get a good card for graphics and a poor card for PhysX to help it out. If you have the money for two good cards, SLI should win every time.

And AMD will someday use the extra three pins as far as I am aware. At that point, I am sure AM3 CPUs will no longer be compatible with AM2+ sockets. Look how long it took AMD to turn on ACC though. Further, to this date, AMD Sideport on the HD 4870x2 is still disabled.
     
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Hmm, I was running 2x9800GT OC cards and 1x 8600GTS for Physx. I stopped running Physx when I read some where that the 8600GTS does the system no justice other then to help over heat it. I was also going to run 2x8600GTS with the 2x 9800GT OC for Quad folding but I don't think my PSU could handle it. I only have a 700W ThermalTake Tough Power and I don't want to kill it by folding w/4 gpu's. That is where a good Corsair HX1000 would come in handy but the price. Heck I should have grabbed that one I could of got on ebay w/the option to buy now at $185.00 shipped. Oh well there will always be others.

Good News. I got home from the movies " The Proposal " btw it's a good movie to see w/a nice girl friend but be wanrnd it's a little tear jurker unless you are just cold and heartless. Any way the good news. I had a Pink tag on my front door so I think it's the 2x 8800GTS Vids that I purchased last week. I'll have to pick them up at the post office tomorrow morning when I sign for them.
Edited by N2Gaming - 6/29/09 at 7:14pm
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So guys figured I'd share a pic of my new htpc comeing online.
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/345...ntestbench.jpg

Lousey angle and it's a mess but it's comeing together, what you can't see from here is the rack portion is all operational. Gotta finish it up then start on the waterboarding potion. :sickman:
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Physx Cards: Does win XP take advantage of a seperate Physx card. I know I have the option in the Nvidia control panel to turn Physx on but I don't even know if it helps any. I'm trying to use it w/a 8600GTS and I have read that a 8600 would actually slow a system down if running Physx through it if you have faster SLI cards in play.
It depends on what you are using for PhysX.

To actually use PhsyX without bogging down any multi-GPU setup by either occupying GPU clocks or CPU clocks for PhysX you are required to have a certain number of Shader Processors on the card fo it to effeciently work the PhysX calculations.

You also need GDDR3 Memory, a 128bit bus, and atleast 256mb of VRAM.


From most benchmarking, people have concluded that the 9600GT (64 Shaper Processors) is optimum for high resolutions (1600x1200)/(1920000 pixels and up.) As it doesn't create any excess GPU usage or CPU usage compared to when PhysX is off.

Though, if you are on a resolution that is (1680x1050)/(1764000 pixels and lower), the 9600GSO 48 Shaper Processor model will work just fine without adding any extra CPU or GPU usage compared to when PhysX is off.

From my personal testing with the 8600GTS (32 SPs) it's only 15% higher CPU usage with PhysX on durring UT3. Than when I have PhysX off. This is on 1280x1024.

If I go up to 1600x1200 for my in game resolution, then it can spike up to 38% higher CPU usage. Which at that point, you can feel. It basically produces a noticable lag spike. Your frames per second do not drop, but the game gets that bogged down feeling for just a second, and then takes a few more seconds to get back up to the pace it was before.

Currently, if you are looking for dedicated PhysX/Folder, the 9600GSO @ $35 After MIR + Shipping is your best option. Unless you can find an Ageia/BFG/Asus PhysX Processing Unit for under $20 shipped.
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It depends on what you are using for PhysX.

To actually use PhsyX without bogging down any multi-GPU setup by either occupying GPU clocks or CPU clocks for PhysX you are required to have a certain number of Shader Processors on the card fo it to effeciently work the PhysX calculations.

You also need GDDR3 Memory, a 128bit bus, and atleast 256mb of VRAM.


From most benchmarking, people have concluded that the 9600GT (64 Shaper Processors) is optimum for high resolutions (1600x1200)/(1920000 pixels and up.) As it doesn't create any excess GPU usage or CPU usage compared to when PhysX is off.

Though, if you are on a resolution that is (1680x1050)/(1764000 pixels and lower), the 9600GSO 48 Shaper Processor model will work just fine without adding any extra CPU or GPU usage compared to when PhysX is off.

From my personal testing with the 8600GTS (32 SPs) it's only 15% higher CPU usage with PhysX on durring UT3. Than when I have PhysX off. This is on 1280x1024.

If I go up to 1600x1200 for my in game resolution, then it can spike up to 38% higher CPU usage. Which at that point, you can feel. It basically produces a noticable lag spike. Your frames per second do not drop, but the game gets that bogged down feeling for just a second, and then takes a few more seconds to get back up to the pace it was before.

Currently, if you are looking for dedicated PhysX/Folder, the 9600GSO @ $35 After MIR + Shipping is your best option. Unless you can find an Ageia/BFG/Asus PhysX Processing Unit for under $20 shipped.
Thanks and funny you should mention UT3 becuase I tried that game w/my sig rig and the extra 8600GTS as the Physx card and it flet a little better but then again it could have been the server I was, the amount of players and the ping at the time. I just jumped in and out of a game for a couple of minutes to see if it would feel or look any better at 1920x1080 on my 40" LCD 1080P TV. I did not notice any lag or slugginsh feeling and felt content to leave it until I read something like what you just stated. BTW I just started using that set up on a regular basis to surf the web and play games in the cockpit of my lazy boy. Man what a difference it is from sitting at a cramped up computer table 2-2.5 feet away from my monitor.
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Edit: sorry for the double down.

I have the same PCI video card as you on the right. The S3 but you have the extra RAM that I don't have. The Extra removeable ram that is.
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I have the same video card as you on the right. the S3 but you have the extra RAM. I don't have the Extra removeable ram.
My favorite card of all time! A must for every repair. Cept on this board, It looks like the pci slots are toast! Weird. Well what do you want from our buddy landoo!
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N2, the best way to find out if you're 8600 running as a physx card is bogging your system down is just run some benchmarks. From some of the benches I have seen the physx card wont raise your GPU score any but it should raise your CPU score.

Try running 3dmark06 or vantage and see if there is a noticeable difference.

BTW, saw you on OCN TF2 last . I was ownin that :turd:
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N2, the best way to find out if you're 8600 running as a physx card is bogging your system down is just run some benchmarks. From some of the benches I have seen the physx card wont raise your GPU score any but it should raise your CPU score.

Try running 3dmark06 or vantage and see if there is a noticeable difference.

BTW, saw you on OCN TF2 last . I was ownin that :turd:
Thanks I'll have to try 3DMark06. I won a free Vantage Key but I don't have vista. will Vantage work w/Win 7?

I saw you last night handing out major beat downs. I sux at it but it's still fun. I feel like I contribute more then I get in the way so all is good. Heck when I stopped playing you were in first place points wise. It's alway nice to have a medic power you up to do your destruction of the enemy
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