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Originally Posted by ciff1 View Post
3800+ x 2 , lcb9e stepping currently at 2500mhz at 1.4v cpuz ram at stock dd500.
Tried 2600mhz last night fsb 260 ram 520mhz passed custompc mag benchmarks and sandra memory bandwith test, not had time to stress test properly yet so put back to 2500 at moment. Is this a know good stepping. Know it is for opteron 165's.
Stable in all games.
Ciff1, at this point it probably isn't required to have your memory overclocked. I recommend dropping the divider a few steps down. That way your frequency will drop below the stock speed and give you some more room with your processor. Right now your only 10Mhz overclock but as soon as you start pushing that reference clock higher you may start to run into some memory instability issues. Luckily you have DDR500. That should give you plenty of room when you do decide to play with the memory.

Have you had a chance to find the limits of each component yet (motherboard, processor and memory)? This should give you a nice baseline to play with.

Good luck
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post #16862 of 28697
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3800+ x 2 , lcb9e stepping currently at 2500mhz at 1.4v cpuz ram at stock dd500.
Tried 2600mhz last night fsb 260 ram 520mhz passed custompc mag benchmarks and sandra memory bandwith test, not had time to stress test properly yet so put back to 2500 at moment. Is this a know good stepping. Know it is for opteron 165's.
Stable in all games.
As I have been told, an LCB9E Toledo = LCB9E Denmark (Opteron), just that you don't get all the cache and the Opty is supposed to be "more stable".

My 3800+ X2 is LCB9E just like yours, and has passed 2650MHz (265x10) without problems but, due to my motherboards malfunctioning x3 HyperTransport multiplier, I can't test it much further.
However, I did manage to get it stable at 2700MHz (300x9) but I was forced to run with my HT@600MHz.
Oh, almost forgot to mention the voltages. I can't remember exactly but I never went past 1.450V for the OCs I mentioned.

I have been playing around with my OC ever since I installed Windows 7 a few weeks ago and I'm currently running 262x10@1.400V stable for a couple of days now.

I hope that your chip is at least as good as mine and that you have better luck with your board, which you should, lol.
 
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Yeah the LCB9E is a good stepping. My opty can get an easy 500MHz OC with either no or very little voltage increase (+.025v), depending on motherboard.
It will definitely run much higher, but I dont have adequate cooling to keep it stable at those voltages/temps.

I run my opty @ 2900MHz 24/7 and have been almost since I got it.
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One way you can tell your overclock isn't stable?

1) Buttons don't "click".
2) Your mouse freezes.

Settings for that one was 295 FSB, 9x multiplier, and a 3x htt mult (cant remember a better term for this one). Gave it a few volt nudges, but at 1.4 it's still not stable. Had it been, I would have had the same OC on my lanbox as my main machine.

Somehow I'll figure it out, but if I can get a solid 2.5GHz or 2.6GHz... I'm mostly happy . After all, I can always try going further distances after I understand the more advanced aspects of overclocking.

Currently I am running the same settings as above, except with a 290 FSB. Could be the droids I'm looking for, for now anyway.
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timx, how is your RAM set up presently? It could be that it's trying too hard to keep up with your CPU speed (and therefore holding it back). Slap a higher divider on that RAM (to slow it down some more) and see if you can set your CPU speed running free!

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Okay... for those of you following along at home, I got stuck on Long Island another day. I was making good time until I hit the Queens line, at which time, I hit a solid wall of traffic and could not continue. It seems that the Throggs Neck Bridge is closed. ***. So I had to come back until tomorrow when I will try an alternate route not during rush hour. Sorry roster changes, you are pushed back a day as well.
     
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Heh, well actually although I have started doing a manual overclock, I still am relying on a few auto settings here and there... In that sense, this biostar mobo is very nice. (though I WILL get a screenie of the memory tab of CPUZ uploaded in a moment)

As with most shortcuts though, I understand that there's a good chance it's not the best route to take. My thoughts behind it was I could set everything else up and leave memory divider and timings on auto (memory is the one area I don't fully understand yet). From there I can find FSB and multipier settings that work effectively, then go back and test to see which memory dividers work best with the other settings I cherry picked myself.

What I currently understand about overclocking is the following:

FSB/HTT is the main variable in the formula, which I symbolically see as "x" (like in a "mx + b" formula, where b should equal 0).
CPU multiplier is the "m" and the solution to the formula is my predicted clock speed in MHz.
HTT multiplier becomes "m" in a second formula, and "mx" should be <=1000 (can be a little higher, though there's no point. also, now I understand why you said a HTT multi of 2x is fairly unideal in most scenarios, joe . I'd quote the post, but that had to be a year ago)

Memory divider (to me) is something you lower to make your overclock work . I understand it's affected by the FSB (everything is), though I am unsure of what kind of formula to use to figure out what need. IF I am understanding it correctly, if you take DDRx and do x/2, you (ROUGHLY) get the stock FSB of the motherboard you're using. So since I'm using DDR400, that would be 200MHz which is the default of both the 939 motherboards I own.

With that said, if I increase my FSB to 216, wouldn't that mean my RAM is running at DDR433? (using the formula I pictured, it would technically be 432, but I assume I would round up). If I'm toying with my overclock and memory dividers, am I trying to find a sweet spot (and rounding down when necessary)?

The main thing I want to know is how much over the stock ram speed in MHz (effective FSB) is typically okay to push. I'm getting the idea that my ram chokes a little if I push it past DDR433 without changing the divider, as 216 used to be the highest point i'd see stability at (...at least, before i came across OCN ). It's also highly possible I answered my own question from above without fully realizing it.

I'll leave that to the most of my questions for the time being and work on understanding memory timings next. But hopefully someone else will benefit from my mathematical approach and basic questions associated as well.

In the meantime I'll be trying what you suggested Joe, and then if need be, i think I may WRASTLE with some memory timings and information too.

EDIT: @blitz: Ouch! Sorry to hear about the traffic stuff, but no worries on my end on roster updates. Hope tomorrow works out better, traffic wise. Also, you reminded me of this track, so if you happen to be an electronica fan at all, enjoy.
Edited by timxirish - 7/10/09 at 4:08pm
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Yo timx, which Biostar board are you playing with?

I wonder if its BIOS terminology is similar to my old TForce 6100-939's.
    
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When you have your RAM set to DDR400, your actual RAM speed will always be double your HTT. When you have your RAM set to DDR200, your actual RAM speed will always be exactly your HTT. All other RAM dividers require some math to work out. If you wish, you can get a calculator I made in Excel to help do the math for you.
     
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Yo timx, which Biostar board are you playing with?

I wonder if its BIOS terminology is similar to my old TForce 6100-939's.
Joe, that is exactly the motherboard I own.

I had heard it was rumored to be either the best, or one of the best 939 matx motherboards on the market, so I hunted one down and managed to purchase my first Opteron 165 in a combo deal with it.

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Originally Posted by blitz6804 View Post
When you have your RAM set to DDR400, your actual RAM speed will always be double your HTT. When you have your RAM set to DDR200, your actual RAM speed will always be exactly your HTT. All other RAM dividers require some math to work out. If you wish, you can get a calculator I made in Excel to help do the math for you.
Very useful information. That will surely be helpful in my overclocking experiments. Thanks blitz!

EDIT: Sig rig changed to my lanbox rig. Forgot I changed the name to "Firestarter". Named it that because within the first hour of it running, the PSU let out this wretched burning smell. Thankfully it's been fine ever since though.
Edited by timxirish - 7/10/09 at 4:25pm
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