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Another update:

3.0GHz @ 1.450V (BIOS)/1.424V (CPU-Z).



We're seeing a trend, one of diminishing returns of MHz for VCore increases.
Edited by txtmstrjoe - 7/11/09 at 6:35pm
    
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As for a CPU cooler, you can't have anything too fancy. In otherwords there is no hope for anything like a TRUE or SI-128SE. There's just not enough space between the bottom of the PSU and the CPU.
Hmm thats somethign else I was wondering about. Thanks. I was thinking a thermaltake ultima-90 or something might fit but I hadn't really looked into it.

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Here is another post of mine where I was showing my heatsink size in relation to the area around it.
Where is this picture you speak of?

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As for your boards, I'd try to get the MSI working if at all possible (depending on price of the BIOS chip). Otherwise you might be better off getting a board off of eBay.
the thing is I am not sure that the bios chip is the problem, though for 11$ I guess its worth a shot.

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Does the Evga board have 2 video slots? If so try putting a gpu in the other slot and see if your video works, also cleaning the PCIe slots with a tooth brush and isopropyl alcohol sometimes does the trick as well.
It has 2. I already switched it around, but maybe I'll try cleaning them out

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As for running vista, is that a necessity? XP would definitely run better with 2GB of ram.
Virginia Tech wants people to run Vista business and I have it available to me for 10$ (I think) through VT. I was thinking for parallelism between my 2 systems it might be better to run vista. I am on server 2003 right now, which would be suitable if need be. Though I can no longer update itunes it finally figured out that I don't have xp. I like my music..though there are other alternative so its not a big caveat. I definitely don't want to buy more ram for my 939 stuff because if end up buying a motherboard and ram, then I am spending quite a bit. The money would be better spent upgrading my platform for the advantage of the cheaper ram. Of note: the "mixed" ram would be 2 dual channel kits. One is crucial ballistix and the other is kingston value ram. Both sets clock pretty high (kingston at ddr580, and the ballistix to ddr600?) though together they probably wont cooperate


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Hmm thats somethign else I was wondering about. Thanks. I was thinking a thermaltake ultima-90 or something might fit but I hadn't really looked into it.



Where is this picture you speak of?
Click on "Sketch" in that link I gave you. It's hidden in a spoiler tag .

Also, here's some more visual on using that HS in that case (or just visual of how much space is/isn't inside in general):
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/T.../LanBox/4.html
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Vista does not much care for only 2 GB of RAM in my experience; turning off Aero could help alleviate this problem. Alternatively, look into getting Windows7; if you preorder, it can be as cheap as $50. It runs much better than Vista on less-than-smoking-edge systems. As to going AM2, I do not recommend it; there is little performance gain of a AM2 K8 as compared to a 939 K8. If anything, I would say that a Brisbane under performs as compared to a Toledo, but it does beat a Manchester. I have not tried a Windsor, but that should be comparable to a Denmark. As BlackOmega pointed out, AM2's courting call is cost; it is far cheaper to build a scratch AM2 build than a scratch 939 build. If you have some parts already, the 939 will likely be the cheaper option. Now, you notice I have only said AM2 so far; if you can go AM2+/AM3, that is, a STARS processor based off Deneb, that would be the way to go. An Agena derived CPU (such as a Kuma) is alright, but not as good as a Deneb-derived CPU. The only issue is the cost of DDR3 and an AM3 CPU. You could go for a cheap AM2+ motherboard and some cheap DDR2-800 (2x2 GB is both ideal and is as cheap as $40 shipped) with an AM3 CPU, and upgrade the motherboard/RAM when you have a larger budget.

Nice tuning so far on the new system Joe; your chip makes me jealous!
     
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Smaller update: 3.1GHz is only stable enough for an OS boot and CPU-Z run. OCCT testing, even at 1.50V in the BIOS, results in an insta-fail.

Currently testing for the lowest possible VCore for 3.0GHz.
    
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Smaller update: 3.1GHz is only stable enough for an OS boot and CPU-Z run. OCCT testing, even at 1.50V in the BIOS, results in an insta-fail.

Currently testing for the lowest possible VCore for 3.0GHz.
3 is perfect. I like nice even numbers, everything seems to run soo much smoother.

Monday (hopefully) I'll be getting my ps back from rma and while I'm at it I'll change my hs to the modded dell one and I think I'll be able to run 300 24/7 f@h pretty easy. I'm sure temps were my only limiting factor. My suicides did fine above 300 but I didn't want to push it on a HS designed for a Socket A (I can still run it 24/7@280 on this hs ).
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Is there any difference between the sli dr and the ut sli dr?
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Is there any difference between the sli dr and the ut sli dr?
It's possible they're the same, performance wise.. But I could be wrong. UT (going by what the box says for my Lanparty UT nf4 Ultra-D board) is supposed to mean "UV on, Tweak fun!". Pretty lame acronym, but I guess it means the non UT one isn't UV reactive?

Anyhow, running into a problem with finding my RAM's maximum. Maybe someone's around and knows one way or another on this...?

My RAM is rated at 3-3-3-8, and I believe 2.6v (nevermind, that's correct). So far I haven't been able to post and enter memtest86+ with 2-2-2-6 (on 2.6v, 2.7v and 2.8v) and same goes for 2-2-2-8 (on 2.6v and 2.7v)... I'm setting the timings that way because of the overclocking guide DeathONator posted, but my question is, should I be setting it at 3-3-3-8 instead?

In the meantime i'll try different timings (nudge the ones that greatly affect stability here and there) and try again. I haven't been messing with any of the other timings though-- Leaving those at bios default. If no one's around, no worries. I'll find something that works sooner or later.
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Here's a brief primer on RAM timings.

For me, RAM tuning is the most time-intensive part of OCing. So many settings (DFI owners know this better than most), so many things to change, and so many changes to get wrong and get tripped up on.

Key thing to remember when RAM tweaking: Change only ONE setting at a time. Attempting to change too many settings at once will only confuse you when trouble strikes. If you change and test (and take your time doing so) only one thing at a time, when you hit trouble you know exactly what setting ruined that delicate balance that keeps that house of cards together.

Another crucial thing to remember (pun somewhat intended): You almost HAVE to know what your RAM's ICs are when you're playing with them. The reason is so that you know what the voltage limits are, as well as knowing rough guidelines as to how to tune them.
    
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Yes, I know exactly what you mean about DFI... Holy hell batman, those boards are chock full of options and settings. That was probably the most overwheming part of me jumping into OCing-- I was completely lost as to where to start, but I'm getting much better.

ICs? Having an incredibly stupid moment here, but I do know generally what you mean. I'd have to take the heatspreader off for that I'm sure. Is it the RAM chips I'm looking at (most likely?) or an EEPROM? Thankfully my ram is fairly easy to get to in this matx case.

And yeah, that's what I've started to do-- test one thing at a time that is. Setting it at 3-3-3-8, then moving each down a hair to see if I lose stability. Also, thanks for the link.
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