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I buy all craftsman (hand tools) , Love them. Cheap american made and unsurpassed warranty. Most harbor freight tools are made in the us, they're just not name brand but work just fine..
Hand tools??What are those??? The only hand tools I actually use are wrenches. Everything else is pneumatic. It's truly amazing how much time you save by using air.

And craftsman tools are ok, but their wrenches aren't anywhere near as good as the snap ons. I have the flank drive ones. When I was a tech I couldn't take the risk of rounding off bolts which was really common with the craftsman ones. Not to mention they're longer and have a thinner shank than the craftsmans as well.

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Hey BO, If I were doing the side by side comparrison I would swop the NB coolers and see if the same holds true on different mobo's 10C temp drops just by being Lapped. That's Fantastic
Well the only difference between the 2 rigs is the CPU and RAM and the case that they're in.
The one with the lapped NB is in my vento which has a considerably smaller front intake fan (90mm) and it blows parallel to the mobo. The other one is my coolermaster RC331 which has a 120mm fan blowing directly at the mobo & GPU's.
The other funny thing is that the GPUs' in my Vento are noticable cooler as well. ~68*C folding @ 100% vs 80*C in the CM RC331. I think when the foldathon is over I'm going to lap the NB on that one and replace the TIM on the other GPU.

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Originally Posted by thlnk3r View Post
Omega Supreme, sorry I completely forgot to reply to your post.

Thank you for reporting your findings. That just goes to show that lapping really does improve temperatures. How did you manage on removing that square yellow pad from the chipset cooler?

Good luck
It's cool
And I'm not sure which metal pad you're referring to, the dried up TIM or the thin foam tape square?
The dried TIM, I actually used sandpaper. I scraped as much off as I could without gouging the cooler. Then proceeded to lap it.
The foam tape comes up rather easily. Just a little of finger pressure starts to peel it up, then you simply grab a hold of it and gently but consistently pull it and it will peel right off. You can actually reuse it if you're so inclined. I actually have 2 of them stuck to a piece of glass on my desk. I just tape off the pins on the NB and call it a day.
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Hand tools??What are those??? The only hand tools I actually use are wrenches. Everything else is pneumatic. It's truly amazing how much time you save by using air.
Yeah, umm I don't have any pneumatic tools.
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BTW like the Custom Line I ran through the wall?

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And craftsman tools are ok, but their wrenches aren't anywhere near as good as the snap ons. ... When I was a tech I couldn't take the risk of rounding off bolts which was really common with the craftsman ones. Not to mention they're longer and have a thinner shank than the craftsmans as well.
That is why You use 6 sided. I bought most of mine in like 85 and still love them to this day, so why go with a outrageously priced snap-on or mac when the ones I have work perfect as it is?

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The one with the lapped NB is in my vento
I'm thinking your seating might have been bad or your tim messed up to get that kind of a drop now.
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And I'm not sure which metal pad you're referring to, the dried up TIM or the thin foam tape square?
BlackOmega, the chipset cooler was from a DFI board correct? The chipset cooler on my SLI-DR had a square yellow pad that covered the little IC's that surrounded the actual core. I guess yours didn't have that
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Yeah, umm I don't have any pneumatic tools.
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BTW like the Custom Line I ran through the wall?
nice Thats a good size compressor. Whats the max PSI that thing pumps out? The one I have now only does 150 PSI line pressure, I'd like to get a 2 phase thats capable of 200PSI. I took the regulator out of my old ingersoll rand air gun so the more line pressure I have the more powerful it is/


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That is why You use 6 sided. I bought most of mine in like 85 and still love them to this day, so why go with a outrageously priced snap-on or mac when the ones I have work perfect as it is?
I still have a bunch of my dads craftsmans that are from the 80's, and while they're decent, they're no comparison to the snap ons. With the flank drive I can snap bolts off with the open end side , Since I bought those I haven't had to buy line wrenches. Not to mention they're considerably longer than the craftsmans so you can put a lot more torque on them.
I have broken several Craftsman tools, wrenches, sockets, even a socket wrench (1/2").
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I'm thinking your seating might have been bad or your tim messed up to get that kind of a drop now.
No the TIM was applied properly and they're seated correctly. The contact with the highly grooved unlapped surface is pretty poor I would have to imagine. I am not at all surprised that the temps are that bad. And even though those heat sinks are aluminum it still took quite some time to get it smooth. Mind you I started with 220

And another thing that I have to say about that vento case, even though the front intake fan is small, so far that case has had the best mobo cooling of any case I have used to date. Better than my CM centurion 590. I'll have to do an experiment and swap the boards between the cases and see if the temps improve. That will have to wait until my A&P final is over though. I have to study pretty much the whole book in a matter of a week and a half.

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BlackOmega, the chipset cooler was from a DFI board correct? The chipset cooler on my SLI-DR had a square yellow pad that covered the little IC's that surrounded the actual core. I guess yours didn't have that
Yeah the 1 sided foam tape square thats about 1/4" wide. Yeah all 3 of mine have them, although 2 at the moment do not.
And yeah removing that thing is pretty easy, like I mentioned before, simply roll one of the corners to the center and get a corner to peel up. Then with gentle and slow, yet consistent pulling, that square will come right up. And it is reusable. when I get home I'll take a pic of the squares just to be sure we're talking about the same thing.
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Hueristic, by the looks of your pics I would be inclined to say it almost looks like you may have a H2O project going on there.

BO. I like Matco but they are no Snap on. They all carry a great warranty no receipt required but for the money you can't go wrong w/a 6pnt Cranftsman. Sure You may Brake a crasftsman quicker then a snap on but lets see you find a snap on truck on a sunday when your working on your car. Sears is open on the week ends.

I'm still interested to see if you get the same 10 deg drop after lapping the other chip set cooler.
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BO. I like Matco but they are no Snap on. They all carry a great warranty no receipt required but for the money you can't go wrong w/a 6pnt Cranftsman. Sure You may Brake a crasftsman quicker then a snap on but lets see you find a snap on truck on a sunday when your working on your car. Sears is open on the week ends.

I'm still interested to see if you get the same 10 deg drop after lapping the other chip set cooler.
Well thats the thing, the Snap on one won't break. When I worked as a tech, time is money, so if I had to stop what I'm doing and run over to Sears to exchange it I would use up probably an hour of my time. Thats 1 less hour that I'd be working and that much less I'd make.

And the Craftsman wrenches while being decent they're not that great (the Craftsman professional series are a lot better though). The open side is pretty much worthless. I bet they would round off 9 out of 10 bolts. And there are certain spots where you will not be able to put the closed end side of any wrench no matter how small or thin the wall might be.
If you're not a professional tech and time doesn't mean much then yes they're fine. But for any pro, they will not cut it. Not to mention all of your tools are tax deductible .

I'll lap another one of those NB coolers probably in about 2 weeks.

And another comparison, the unlapped NB cooler on my CFX also runs really hot. About the same temp as my non lapped ultra-D, ~58*C. So they're both right on par with each other.
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Not to mention all of your tools are tax deductible .

I'll lap another one of those NB coolers probably in about 2 weeks.

And another comparison, the unlapped NB cooler on my CFX also runs really hot. About the same temp as my non lapped ultra-D, ~58*C. So they're both right on par with each other.
That's cool if you own a house and have deductables. I'm a looser w/out any real property. I guess it's time to listen to my Rich Dad Poor Dad CD roms.
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That's cool if you own a house and have deductables. I'm a looser w/out any real property. I guess it's time to listen to my Rich Dad Poor Dad CD roms.
I'm not sure if it has to do with a house or not. I believe that if its your profession. So if you need the tools to do your job, they're tax deductible. I don't think it matter if you own a house or not.

And you can have tax deductions without owning a house period. I'm not positive on this but I recall a while ago that the rent you pay may be tax deductible as well.

Perhaps, Blitz knows more about this.
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Perhaps I could get a lot of money back from the gov but w/o receipts I'd be a up creek w/o a paddle.
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Perhaps I could get a lot of money back from the gov but w/o receipts I'd be a up creek w/o a paddle.

I'd have to say you're right, unless you paid for them with a credit card. Then you might be able to dig up the old receipts. BUt at this point would it be worth it? I believe they only give you a percentage of the value anyway.
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