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Originally Posted by Hueristic View Post
No, Last time I rma'd like a year ago was my AGP X850 Pro (unlocked to 16 pipes: they never even mentioned this to me) and I had absolutely no issues and they even sent me a card that had an extra year on the warrenty. Since I didn't need it I put it in a drawer after useing it for a month and pulled it out a month or so ago and it was dead (I have no clue why :When I store cards/drives I always put them in anti-static bags) So I called them and got an RMA no problem but the middleman company they sent me to wanted to turn down the RMA I already got and charge me $15 to ship it to sapphire and charge me the cost of the repair (not to mention I had to pay the shipping as well). Needless to say it is not worth that so I have a worthless card that was top shelf originally and had to switch my HTPC to PCI-E.
I'd call Sapphire's warranty dept. again and tell them that the card is STILL under warranty and that you DEMAND them to either repair or replace it. And tell them if they do not, you will call the Better Business Bureau and file a grievance. Trust me, they don't want that. They will issue you an RMA, and most likely even pay for shipping.
There's other thing that you can do as well like file a small claims suit against them as well. At that point though, will it be worth your time?
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I have not heard any good things about saphire. I have read a few bad reviews on newegg as well. Me thinks saphire will fold in the next 3 years unless they get a OEM contract w/a big name like dell or ibm.
They used to be a really good company. But whatevers happening on their end is really killing them.

But sadly, ATi AiB partners have always been lacking compared to nVidia, until XFX rolled onto the tracks.

Hopefully VisionTek & PowerColor put their A game on.

All HIS has to do is make IceQ cards and I'll be happy.

Diamond can burn in a fire, they used to be the BFG of ATi, but 2 years back they just decided to forget all that made them great, and then stop making anything of quality or originality. But still charge a premium.
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I had a LOT of problems with Diamond. It got to the point where even the MANAGER of the RMA department has started ignoring me... the card was bad out of the box, sent in for repair, was replaced, and came back broken. (Not as badly broken as the first one, but still brokent.) Diamond completely refused to talk to me after they replaced the card. (Which, by the way, replacing a defective product with a defective product is a tort in New York. I was just too lazy to do anything about it.) Prior to my x1950xge, I always bought direct from ATi. When my x1600 died at 366 days old, ATi refused to repair it, even if I paid for it, siting a warranty policy that the card has a 1-year warranty from the date of manufacture, not the date of sale. I went Visiontek for my x1950 XGE, and ATi stopped selling cards soon thereafter.
     
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post #17444 of 28706
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Diamond can burn in a fire, they used to be the BFG of ATi, but 2 years back they just decided to forget all that made them great, and then stop making anything of quality or originality. But still charge a premium.
That sounds typical of the evil big corporation agenda. First they put out a great product that last's forever. Kind of like Toyota back in the day. Then they scale back on quality in the early 80's and start making cars w/sub standard parts that will cause the whole motor to destruct. Corolla and Tercel comes to mind. I just used Toyota as an example but all corporations do this when they get greedy and don't care about the end user because they are so big and they have the Reputation of good quality. It's hard to bounce back from poor quality in the market. Look at Yugo. You don't see any of those around much any more or the early Hyundai excell models. Good on gas and for about 45-60K miles then scrap em unless you want to spend as much as you did on the car new just to keep it going.

Sorry BO I'm not trying to get you going on cars again. I just used the auto industry because that is one that I am more familiar with.
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I had a LOT of problems with Diamond. It got to the point where even the MANAGER of the RMA department has started ignoring me... the card was bad out of the box, sent in for repair, was replaced, and came back broken. (Not as badly broken as the first one, but still brokent.) Diamond completely refused to talk to me after they replaced the card. (Which, by the way, replacing a defective product with a defective product is a tort in New York. I was just too lazy to do anything about it.) Prior to my x1950xge, I always bought direct from ATi. When my x1600 died at 366 days old, ATi refused to repair it, even if I paid for it, siting a warranty policy that the card has a 1-year warranty from the date of manufacture, not the date of sale. I went Visiontek for my x1950 XGE, and ATi stopped selling cards soon thereafter.
wow thats REALLY crappy. So if a retailer had the card sitting around for 1 year on their shelves, you'd basically buy a card warranty less. But I think that at that point the retailer would have to eat the cost of the card, since it was implied that the card came with a full 1year warranty.


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Sorry BO I'm not trying to get you going on cars again. I just used the auto industry because that is one that I am more familiar with.

It's cool.
Kind of reminds me how drug dealers start peddling their products. First couple of "samples" are free, then once the user is hooked start charging.
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How weird.

I wonder what I've been doing all this time (well, the last three years, anyhow, since I built my first PC and got into this hobby) not having borked a single video card...
    
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My entire time with computers, I have had one die on me (ATi x1600) and two defective ones from the factory (both Diamond HD 3850s), one hard drive failure (Western Digital 80 GB ATA), and one speaker system failure (Creative Inspire T5200). Western Digital replaced my 80 GB ATA with a 120 GB ATA, saying that the drive was defective from the warehouse. Creative replaced my Inspire T5200 with an Inspire T7700 for similar reasons. (Those are now failing some 6-years later.) As I said prior, both ATi and Diamond told me to get stuffed.
     
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Most people say good things about EVGA. I recently asked if they could repair a couple of 8800GTS 640MB cards and they told me sorry no not at this time. They don't even do out of warranty repair. So I don't think I will purchase from them any time soon. One thing I like about DFI. They offer out of warranty repair at a fair price.
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What did i start by posting raise ldt bus voltage to max when finding htt max!!
Anyway found this out if it helps.
When AMD moved the memory controller from the northbridge to the CPU, they did not a little thing. Firstly, they changed the FSB to HTT. What is HTT? Going to google will give you numerous and many varied results, none of which you find on the first page will be the right answer. Not on page 2, either. But on page 3, we get this result:

"HyperTransportâ„¢ Consortium - Press Releases

Recent Press Releases. For more information about HyperTransport press releases and press related materials, please contact: Constance Sweeney - (650) 358-9119. ... www.hypertransport.org/consortium/cons_news.cfm - 25k - Cached - Similar pages"

HyperTransport is a whole different beast from the FSB. The HyperTransport Consortium says this:

"HyperTransport interconnect technology is a high-performance, high-speed, high-bandwidth, point-to-point link that provides the lowest possible latency for chip-to-chip links. HyperTransport technology provides a flexible, scalable interconnect architecture designed to reduce the number of buses within the system, provide a high-performance link for applications ranging from embedded systems, to personal computers and servers, to network equipment and supercomputers."

"HyperTransport technology's aggregrate bandwidth of 22.4GB/sec represents better than a 70-fold increase in data throughput over legacy PCI buses. While providing far greater bandwidth, HyperTransport technology complements legacy I/O standards like PCI as well as emerging technologies like PCI-X and PCI Express."

HyperTransportâ„¢ Technology Overview

So now we know what they call it, it's really the communication channel between the CPU and the northbridge, and will be labelled "LDT" in your bios. With the memory controller residing on the CPU die, passing info from memory to the other components in your system is much, much faster, as it no longer goes memory, northbridge, CPU, northbridge, components, but memory, CPU, northbridge, components. That's one whole step gone, and a large reason for AMD's strength in the gmaing market. What the technology poses for the future could be discussed quite thoroughly, probably taking up weeks and weeks, but all we want it is to overclock it. Lets get to it, shall we?

First, we start here, taken from the same page as the last info from the HyperTransport Consortium:

1.2-V Low-Voltage Differential Signaling (LVDS) with a 100-ohm differential impedance

So it starts off at 1.2v, but in the technology white papers, it says 1.14-1.26v max., and more specifically:

Measured at the external connection to the HyperTransport device package. The VLDT as measured on the die should maintain a 1.1V to 1.3V range under all conditions. This ±100mV variation at the die is considered when defining the DC output characteristics in this specification.

That means that the 1.25v setting for LDT that you most often see in your bios...just leave it. Even signalling up to 2.8gb/s, and as low as 400mb/s, all require the same voltage. Going faster may nessecitate more, but seeing how most chips now are only in the 2.0gb/s range, there's losts of headroom. There's even more signal loss at the hihgher frequencies, so i don't think that giving it any more will really make a difference.

Your chipset basically sets the base speed, and currently some of the Via chipsets allow up to 2.0gb/s, to coincide with the Wincester A64's, but most chips, either Clawhammer- or Newcastle-core based both say 1600mb/s, at least from AMD, so keep this numbers in mind for you ultimate goal. Some chips will go higher than what they are rated for, but it's best to be -/+ 50mb/s.

Most threads i've read suggest raising the ldt bus volts when going for very high htt speeds in order to help stability between 400 - 500htt
My expert board bios allows over 500htt to be entered i think
    
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Read this link i found about ldt bus voltages increasing http://www.aoaforums.com/frontpage/i...=249&Itemid=34
    
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