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Originally Posted by XAslanX View Post
Add me, I have taken on a 939 system as my second system after upgrading a family members PC.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=651922

http://www.overclock.net/system.php?i=41182
Welcome Aslan.
I just noticed that you're running @ 1.40vcore. Asus boards for some reason like to set it at that. You should be able to set it down to 1.35v without any issues. My 3800x2 @ stock runs just fine on my DFI @ 1.31v. But from my experience, DFI's have much better voltage regulation than Asus.


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Yeah, I just found the next highest stable OC for me, and just going from 3GHz, to 3.5GHz has pretty much completely eliminated my bottleneck . So I'm happy...I'm stable 8 hours of Prime95, and the FPU test on S&M, and I can run 3DMark06 perfectly, yet Vantage doesn't want to run for some reason.
Very nice! I'm hoping to achieve ~3.8-4.0 stable when I get my AM3. From what I've heard OCing Am3 is pretty different than 939, so I guess I'll be learning all over again. I don't mind, I like learning new tech.
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The difference between the Phenom II & Athlon II CPU's isn't great, but it is there. The Athlon II's have no L3 cache at all, it's not present on the CPU's, as they don't come from the same fab as the Phenom II's do. They are native dual cores, thus they are manufactured differently.

As for being cheaper, it's much cheaper to not include it and run it on a different fab because the die size is smaller than that of the Phenom II's which have disabled cores and L3 cache. It also helps reduce the TDP dramatically.
Thanks for clearing that up tator. I thought that was the case, but it was something I read in passing and for some reason didn't pay much mind to it.
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Tator, cool thanks for the info

By the way how is your environment going at home? I've been working on my VM host this week. I was able to fit 4 virtuals plus the host OS on a desktop with 2GB of memory. Win2k3 Ent surprisingly runs great with 256MB of memory haha. I have my Exchange 2003 virtual running with 512MB. Since I'm on a budget right now (baby on the way) I had to resort to a desktop being my server. I had a Raid setup going with my two 750AAKS drives but the array took a dump already. Needless to say I'm returning this controller to Fry's...
Damn, that sucks about your AAKS drives taking the dump.

My home setup is scaled back as of late, I took my last 3 PE2800's offline about a month ago, and just run the network off an ION build, and a cisco switch.

We got a big rate hike in electricity in this area. Though, I could never guess why they would do that, as they are building a nuke plant for power, we already have plenty of Wind Turbine towers setup, and we live in the corner of 2 rivers.....

But hey..I don't run the place, I just pay em.

I'm currently planning a network overhaul soon though. Ditch WiFi G, go for an N solution, get an untangle box up and running, along with a personal SAN as well.

Though, with also hitting up college this fall, that's all going to be low budget/low power. But most of it's going to paid for by most of my old servers being sold.

I just wish I could get my PE2800d (desktop) sold, as no-one wanted to buy it on Fleabay, nor here. (though I'm still trying) it's mostly because it's not rack mountable unless you buy a kit that costs like $300.
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From what I've heard OCing Am3 is pretty different than 939, so I guess I'll be learning all over again. I don't mind, I like learning new tech.
BlackOmega, it's not too bad actually. The NB Frequency is something new to consider when overclocking. If you pick up a Phenom II with an unlocked multiplier then it's much easier to make adjustments. I have noticed also that the BIOS's have more options.

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Damn, that sucks about your AAKS drives taking the dump.
Tator, oh no actually the raid controller died. I guess that's what I get for spending $25 on it.

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I just wish I could get my PE2800d (desktop) sold, as no-one wanted to buy it on Fleabay, nor here. (though I'm still trying) it's mostly because it's not rack mountable unless you buy a kit that costs like $300.
I hope you sell that puppy. It's going to be hard though...not sure how many people out there are still looking for SCSI drives. The PE2800 comes with the Perc4/d controller right? Funny you mention about the kit, someone at work did the opposite and spent money on the desktop conversion kit.

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I hope you sell that puppy. It's going to be hard though...not sure how many people out there are still looking for SCSI drives. The PE2800 comes with the Perc4/d controller right? Funny you mention about the kit, someone at work did the opposite and spent money on the desktop conversion kit.

Good luck
Oh, damn, I wouldn't want to buy a conversion kit, those things are big pieces of metal and over priced.

I might try ebay listing again, but I really do not like Fleabay one bit.

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From what I've heard OCing Am3 is pretty different than 939, so I guess I'll be learning all over again. I don't mind, I like learning new tech.

BlackOmega, it's not too bad actually. The NB Frequency is something new to consider when overclocking. If you pick up a Phenom II with an unlocked multiplier then it's much easier to make adjustments. I have noticed also that the BIOS's have more options.
People would like to think it's different, but besides the availability of unlocked multi's, it's not really that different.

From my experience, the only thing you need to consider on AM3/AM2+ builds is to keep your HyperTransport in the 2200mhz-2400mhz range if you can.

And the NB in the range of 2400mhz-2600mhz.

HyperTransport isn't that hard to keep high, but what i really stress to most AM3 overclockers is to ignore the easy way in with the unlocked multi and push the HT clock (FSB) as high as you can on stock multi, and then once that is done, pull the last leg of the race out with your unlocked multi. Basically using it as a backup plan.

As overclocking your HT clock is what boosts your NB, Hyper Transport, RAM, & CPU clock; which can lead to a huge system performance boost over your standard CPU clock increase.
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One thing to note about AM3 processors is that they sort of dislike high voltages. The higher you go with the voltage the less stable the processor will be. It's not for ALL of them but it's a common occurrence.
As Tator mentioned there really isn't much of a difference. There is just a few more things to consider. For example, I noticed with NB Frequencies higher then 2400Mhz a +.200 voltage increase (CPU-NB) may be required ect ect.

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That's true as well, High voltage is not a K10.5's friend.

Though, as for the CPU-NB voltage increase, that depends on the board, the Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5 doesn't need a voltage increase, while the Asus M4A79T-Deluxe does. But then my Foxconn doesn't either. (worked will all of those boards)

Voltage on AM3 seems to be a more, board to board, issue and less a chipset/HT clock based equation.
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What about getting mobo's w/a 790FX NB chipset accompanied by a 750 SB chip set and a bios that allows for NB to CPU multipliers. The NB multiplier helps get the NB Frequencies at a decent spd when you consider ram OC bottlenecks and other things that come in to play when overclocking Ph II's. I say it's just best to get the best mobo for the job and not kick your self in the but after purchasing your mobo wishing you had a different one.
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BlackOmega: A K10.5 is not that dissimilar from a K8 in my opinion. The only big difference, as Thlnk3r has said, is the distinct northbridge. On a K8, the northbridge multiplier and the CPU multiplier are one and the same. On a K10.5, the northbridge is distinct, and often less. The advantage is that computing RAM speed is a piece of cake: HTT * RAM divider / 200. The disadvantage is that the RAM bandwidth will be generally lower than a K8 clock-for-clock.

While the SB 750 is nice to have for a Phenom II (K10.5), it is not a necessity. (In my opinion, it is a necessity for a Phenom (K10).) The 790 FX will generally give you the best platform to work with for a K10.5 however. Further, as Thlnk3r has said, K10.5s prefer cool over voltage. They also tend to prefer high HTTs to high multipliers. (3.45 GHz is as high as I can go with 1.376 V with a 15x multiplier; even 15 MHz higher is unstable no matter what I do. On the other hand, with a 13x multiplier, 3640 MHz is stable with the same exact voltage.)
     
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Like Every Phenom (K10 & K10.5; that even includes my Kuma), they all have a native amount of 4 cores, and a certain amount of L3 cache.
Though, what happens is that when certain cores just don't work, or do not function up to stanards, they disable them, and then market them as Phenom xX CPU's (or in the case of the Kuma, as a Athlon series.)
The Kuma is Phenom I architecture.

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Very nice! I'm hoping to achieve ~3.8-4.0 stable when I get my AM3. From what I've heard OCing Am3 is pretty different than 939, so I guess I'll be learning all over again. I don't mind, I like learning new tech.
I have one of the most budget/basic AM2+/AM3 boards with the lowest SB chipset available, with a (now) 3.542GHz OC, so 3.8 should definitely be a highly achievable OC with the SB750 chipset. And honestly, I didn't see a huge difference with AM2+/AM3 OC'ing. Besides different numbers and multipliers, it's all the same. I think going from Intel to AMD OC'ing would be a big difference though .
 
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Yes Pez; the Kuma is a K10.
     
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