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BO Blitz & Hue, I was thinking the car washer pumps would not hold up under extended periods of time.

Now on the other hand a cheap fuel pump from let's say a 1985 honda accord is out side of the tank so I guess that would make it a dry pump???

It might do the job no? I can prolly pick up one of those really cheap at the Auto Salvage yards.

I could also make a res. out of almost anything that is plastic and some JB Weld or two part epoxy.

I don't know if a fuel pump would hold up to extented periods of use either w/out some kind of rest but then again they are designed to deliver fule constantly at a specific PSI like 30-60 PSI so I would prolly have to use a Petcock valve or something to control the flow rate.

Thanks for the Idea BO.

Thank you also Hueristic I'd like to know if you ever get around to testing the washer pump in it's own reservoir just to see how it works.

Can't forget about blitz's idea of running them in series. Sounds complicated and would prolly require 2x smaller diameter tubing w/a Y fitting into one larger ID tubing for combined flow. Hmm
Edited by N2Gaming - 8/15/09 at 8:58pm
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BO Blitz & Hue, I was thinking the car washer pumps would not hold up under extended periods of time.

Now on the other hand a cheap fuel pump from let's say a 1985 honda accord is out side of the tank so I guess that would make it a dry pump???

It might do the job no? I can prolly pick up one of those really cheap at the Auto Salvage yards.

I could also make a res. out of almost anything that is plastic and some JB Weld or two part epoxy.

I don't know if a fuel pump would hold up to extented periods of use either w/out some kind of rest but then again they are designed to deliver fule constantly at a specific PSI like 30-60 PSI so I would prolly have to use a Petcock valve or something to control the flow rate.

Thanks for the Idea BO.

Thank you also Hueristic I'd like to know if you ever get around to testing the washer pump in it's own reservoir just to see how it works.

Can't forget about blitz's idea of running them in series. Sounds complicated and would prolly require 2x smaller diameter tubing w/a Y fitting into one larger ID tubing for combined flow. Hmm
I think technically that would be parallel. Series would be 1 pump then somewhere down the line another pump.

As for using a fuel pump, I think the biggest headache would be regulating flow. Those pumps are designed to move a large amount of fuel over an extended period of time. If the fluid is in constant motion it would never actually have enough time to absorb the heat.
Now if you put some sort of electronic thermostat on the cpu die that could cycle the pump on/off then it would work rather well. But keep in mind fuel pumps can be rather loud. I think a fuel pump off of a Geo Metro would probably be a better idea as it's a rather small displacement engine and its fuel demands aren't high.
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N2 One is sitting on my bench and the other on the pool table (which is covered with tools). My nephew is trying to make a water block with a soda can and is going to use that pump.

I expect it will last a month or 2. It's been fun seeing him trying to solder onto a aluminum can. LOL 2 almost accomplished and woosh flash over! Hah

He's learning some good metallurgy on this project. It's almost been a year

:edit: I bought a generic 6-7lb external dry pump at pep boys for 8 dollars. I'ts a bit loud but it's in the trunk. But just for messing around it should work fine. Throw the loop out the window and run the pump outside!
Edited by Hueristic - 8/16/09 at 6:59am
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Hueristic: Depending on the temperature outside, that could be a good thing to do. I remember seeing a build log on OCN down in Texas where his radiator outside made things better. In the winter, temperatures were 50º F or so, a definate improvement from the 70º F inside. In the summer, it could be 100º F outside. However, with the hardware he was packing (two high-end gaming rigs) his office could get up to 110º F sometimes. Moving the radiators outside brought it way down.

N2Gaming:

Series: Reservoir ==> Pump ==> Pump ==> Radiator(s) ==> ==> CPU ==> Radiator(s) ==> GPU ==> NB ==> SB ==> Reservoir

Parallel: Reservoir ==> Y-tube ==> Pumps ==> Y-tube ==> Radiator(s) ==> ==> CPU ==> Radiator(s) ==> GPU ==> NB ==> SB ==> Reservoir



Series gives you a higher pressure, but a lower flow rate. Parallel gives you a higher flow rate, but a lower pressure. If you are using impingement blocks, or have a lot of 90º elbows, you will want the series. If you have some high-pressure pumps and your flow rate is slow, you could use parallel, but it might be better to get a higher flow pump.
     
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I need to get some spare time to waterboard my tech station.

Well pills kicking in back to the cupboards.
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Originally Posted by Hueristic View Post
N2 One is sitting on my bench and the other on the pool table (which is covered with tools). My nephew is trying to make a water block with a soda can and is going to use that pump.

I expect it will last a month or 2. It's been fun seeing him trying to solder onto a aluminum can. LOL 2 almost accomplished and woosh flash over! Hah

He's learning some good metallurgy on this project. It's almost been a year

:edit: I bought a generic 6-7lb external dry pump at pep boys for 8 dollars. I'ts a bit loud but it's in the trunk. But just for messing around it should work fine. Throw the loop out the window and run the pump outside!
Cool you got the young'n working metal. If he can master Aluminium then he's golden. That is one of the hardest metals to join when using heat.

That 6-7lb pump almost sounds ideal. I could make a pump house to quiet it down a bit. I'd just stuff the inside of the house w/sound dampening foam

I have seen some nice projects regarding how to get H2O loops really cold. IDK but it's prolly already been done but I was thinking of using one of those really small cheap personal "REMOVED" & housing the pump/ Res and Rad inside the personal "REMOVED" to keep the loop really cool. I could also have a few cool drinks handy while I'm at it.
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Hueristic: Depending on the temperature outside, that could be a good thing to do. I remember seeing a build log on OCN down in Texas where his radiator outside made things better. In the winter, temperatures were 50º F or so, a definate improvement from the 70º F inside. In the summer, it could be 100º F outside. However, with the hardware he was packing (two high-end gaming rigs) his office could get up to 110º F sometimes. Moving the radiators outside brought it way down.

N2Gaming:

Series: Reservoir ==> Pump ==> Pump ==> Radiator(s) ==> ==> CPU ==> Radiator(s) ==> GPU ==> NB ==> SB ==> Reservoir

Parallel: Reservoir ==> Y-tube ==> Pumps ==> Y-tube ==> Radiator(s) ==> ==> CPU ==> Radiator(s) ==> GPU ==> NB ==> SB ==> Reservoir



Series gives you a higher pressure, but a lower flow rate. Parallel gives you a higher flow rate, but a lower pressure. If you are using impingement blocks, or have a lot of 90º elbows, you will want the series. If you have some high-pressure pumps and your flow rate is slow, you could use parallel, but it might be better to get a higher flow pump.
I understand the diff in series and parallel. I use to run most of my car audio equitment in Parallel. Take a 4 Ohm speaker and Parallel it w/another 4 Ohm speaker and wham instant 2 Ohm speakers. Louder Bass I know Water flow and electricity flow are not quite the same but in general I would use similar concept.
Edited by N2Gaming - 8/16/09 at 11:18am
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Ohh no you didn't say Removed!! :ducksAndcovers:

Lol You would be better off burying the rad and letting the earth cool it.

So ever year you have to replace a $20 radiator from corrosion, who cares.
Edited by Hueristic - 8/16/09 at 11:14am
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What is wrong w/the "REMOVED" idea???
Edited by N2Gaming - 8/16/09 at 11:19am
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Removed!
I recommend editing out Removed!, there are a few here that I think do searches on it just to jump down peops throats that mention it.

Basically it won't work because the Removed! is not designed to run 24/7.
Edited by Hueristic - 8/16/09 at 11:13am
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I recommend editing out "REMOVED", there are a few here that I think do searches on it just to jump down peops throats that mention it.

Basically it won't work because the "REMOVED" is not designed to run 24/7.
LOL I failz miserably and now I'm quoted on it. Kind of hard to remove it once it's quoted.
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