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Tator, that looks awesome

Apparently these Istanbul processors come in the full height blade servers from Dell. Up to four processors per blade. I had a quick glimpse at the pricing during a recent project and it was a tad expensive hehe.
As Hue says below me, this is gonna drop the price on i7's and quads in general because Intel will have to come back with something, and they can't price a BE Quad against a BE Hexa, so we'll see drops on the 965BE, and the 955BE will probably get an EOL on it.

Also remember that in those blades (I got to touch ones ) those are special socket F chips & quad socket boards. They actually are a little bit different when compared to a desktop opty, because they use a technology of Hyper Transport so the CPU's actually get to communicate directly with one another, the RAM, and a main chipset.
So it's pretty expensive and a bit hard to get right.

Then you gotta factor in the price of server grade ECC Buffered DDR3 RAM...

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glad you posted that Tator, as I was going to mention it. That will be the perfect time to upgrade. The 4 cores should drop to nothing and If Intel releases a competitor as they tend to do (with server chips) then we will all be in a great purchasing position.
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But Thlnk3r: Think of the power! Quad hexa-cored processors? I am drooling just thinking about it.
They'll definitely be some computing beasts, and if my Tator senses are right, which they have been on the ball this week, we'll probably see this CPU come in at $50 a core. Aka a $300 price point, and marketed as a Black Edition with unlocked multi.

Because thanks to the SOI method AMD uses to make chips, it costs so little to make a quad apposed to a dual core. (more so with the binning/core disabling they do.) So at the end of the day, making an athlon II is only a little bit cheaper than a Phenom, but they still turn a profit on all the chips they make (considering they actually sell them in bulk and such, obviously if they just sold a few it wouldn't work for them) that's why AMD has been coming back so strong.

Cheap, powerful, and easy to manufacture chips.
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Okay folks, straight from the "I've never seen this happen before" file: One of my machines was working happily with absolutely no problems (Darth Raivo). Last night, from cold I turn the machine on, and though I get the one happy beep signaling a successful POST it just sits there at the BIOS splash screen (which basically just displays the DFI LANParty logo). It seems that the machine is hung right there, so I Ctrl + Alt + Del and restart; same thing.

I hit Tab to see the POST process screen; the board instructs me to either "Hit Del to enter Setup or hit Esc to enter Boot Menu." There are no error messages ("CMOS Checksum error" or any other type), and the board detects RAM & all drives properly.

So I try either option (Del or Esc); though the system detects the key presses (I can tell because the case speaker registers the tell-tale "ticks" when you hold the keys down), there is no other response. I cannot enter the BIOS setup nor access the Bootup Options screen.

What I've tried: CMOS clear (short only; now I've got the battery out and the CMOS jumper in the Clear position, per DFI veterans' prescribed "Long CMOS clear" procedures). Though the short CMOS clear has resulted in the board returning settings to default, the board still just hangs at the splash screen. (I can tell the board has gone to stock settings because it tells me the RAM has returned to default timings and 2T Command Rate @ the POST process screen.)

Thoughts or insights, gang?
    
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Okay folks, straight from the "I've never seen this happen before" file: One of my machines was working happily with absolutely no problems (Darth Raivo). Last night, from cold I turn the machine on, and though I get the one happy beep signaling a successful POST it just sits there at the BIOS splash screen (which basically just displays the DFI LANParty logo). It seems that the machine is hung right there, so I Ctrl + Alt + Del and restart; same thing.

I hit Tab to see the POST process screen; the board instructs me to either "Hit Del to enter Setup or hit Esc to enter Boot Menu." There are no error messages ("CMOS Checksum error" or any other type), and the board detects RAM & all drives properly.

So I try either option (Del or Esc); though the system detects the key presses (I can tell because the case speaker registers the tell-tale "ticks" when you hold the keys down), there is no other response. I cannot enter the BIOS setup nor access the Bootup Options screen.

What I've tried: CMOS clear (short only; now I've got the battery out and the CMOS jumper in the Clear position, per DFI veterans' prescribed "Long CMOS clear" procedures). Though the short CMOS clear has resulted in the board returning settings to default, the board still just hangs at the splash screen. (I can tell the board has gone to stock settings because it tells me the RAM has returned to default timings and 2T Command Rate @ the POST process screen.)

Thoughts or insights, gang?
Check your power supply for voltages. If you power supply checks out then try to remove as much hardware as possible just to get into the bios. HDD, DVD, extra video card, floppy etc etc. Use just one stick of ram, cpu & video card to see if you can get into the bios that way. If so then you deff have a hardware issue some where.

Good Luck,

N2G

Edit: forgot to mention to check your NB chipset fan to see if it is still spinning.
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N2G, thanks for the advice. That will be next on my TS list if the Long CMOS clear doesn't work.

Anyone else with thoughts/suggestions/opinions? I'm actually curious about the problem itself, and how it happened in the first place... I've never seen anything like this before.
    
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That's weird becasue just last week my Daly Driver rig "NF4 SLI DR" would not detect SATA HDD's hence it would not do any thing after passing the POST. I think my issue is related to Power supply but have yet to confirm this.
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That's weird becasue just last week my Daly Driver rig "NF4 SLI DR" would not detect SATA HDD's hence it would not do any thing after passing the POST. I think my issue is related to Power supply but have yet to confirm this.
I'd like to think that my situation has nothing to do with power supply-related issues, since this is a fresh, brand new unit. On the other hand, anything is possible.

I'll run the tests you prescribed if my own troubleshooting isn't successful.

We shall see...
    
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Can you try a new CMOS battery? I would expect a bad battery to have a CMOS error, but stranger things have happened. (What you describe happened on my Sister's Intel board, and a new CR2032 fixed it, so you never know.)
     
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Can you try a new CMOS battery? I would expect a bad battery to have a CMOS error, but stranger things have happened. (What you describe happened on my Sister's Intel board, and a new CR2032 fixed it, so you never know.)
I can try that very easily. With the battery out presently I can use my DMM to test its voltages as well to see if it's still kosher (though it ought to be, since it's a brand-new battery, installed when I first took the board out from its bag -- I replaced the DFI-installed battery before using the board).

Heh, I guess it's lucky I bought some CMOS batteries last Friday.

TYVM for suggestion.
    
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Hmm You said you reset CMOS already. I'm thinking that would reset all your bios settings to default but those settings will prolly not be saved until your system is told to do so by you the user by one of two following ways. One, either by going into the bios and F10/Yes to save settings or by pushing F1 after POST so the system can write the current settings to the SRAM CMOS chip.

Now I'm very curious as to what ails your computer... If it is just the CMOS battery then this throughs a monkey wrench into my understanding of how the BIOS & CMOS work. I my self would not think that the battery would prevent you from going into the bios. The BIOS programming is always there. If you loose power to your CMOS chip then your system simply looses all of your prefered BIOS settings. Normally when the battery goes bad your system resets all your BIOS settings again at every reboot. Even though I have not tried it, I would not be supprised if a computer would run w/o any CMOS battery in it.
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N2G, I'm thinking that this may be a case of BIOS corruption. If this is indeed correct, then my next question is how did it happen in the first place?
    
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