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Not a bad upgrade plan, Omega Supreme.

I am quite fond of that MSI 790FX-GD70; if motherboards were judged just on looks alone, this one wins hands down every single time. That's also one of two boards I'm considering for my AM3 build. (The other one is the Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P.)

I've pretty much convinced myself that this next platform upgrade will be my first and last one for at least two years, preferably longer. With a quad-core CPU, 4GB of RAM, and Windows 7, as well as the state of affairs as far as games go (games will likely be the most demanding software this rig will run anyway), the only upgrades that might be necessary is to the video card. But even then, this is debatable.
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I'm hoping the same thing. With the possible exception being, as you mentioned, GPU's.

When the Am3 boards first came out, my "favorite" at the time was the UD5P, however it has 3 of those PCIex1 slots that are pretty mush useless for me. The GD70 has nice full size slots and a bunch of PCI slots to complement it. I read a review about it earlier and needless to say clock for clock it did very well. And yeah it is a good looking motherboard that is for sure. Another bonus is it has that huge heat sink over the MOSFETs and good cooling for the NB/SB.
I also decided to go with the 955BE simply for the unlocked multiplier, well that and its 200MHz faster. If the AM3 boards were able to even remotely come close to what our 939 boards are capable of then I probably wouldn't go this route.
From experience with all the major AM3 790FX boards besides the DFI I can say go for the UD5P. Probably the best board I have ever had the chance to work with in awhile.

Unless you really need the extra PCIe slots.

MSI still doesn't have me convinced they are out of their bargain bin ways, seeing as the Customer Service/RMA department is still not backing up the engineering teams in company excellence.

Also BO, I would get the 945 95watt or the 965 125watt (when it drops) they are both made with a newer NB revision that gets higher clocks.

945 is harder to overclock because it's just the HT clock instead of an unlocked multi at your disposal.

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BlackOmega, to shed some light on this question I believe the 32-bit version is 4GB and the 64-bit version is capped at 16GB's.
Completely right
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Tator, perhaps I forgot to ask this in a previous conversation but what was the highest HT clock (reference clock speed) you were able to achieve on the UD5P? Joe has a good point about some of these AM3 boards. I hardly see any crazy high speeds (ie.300Mhz)
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BigpoppaFrary: I did not even notice your RAM was running at DDR-480;that is a good point. If it is still acting up at 10x235, put it back to 10x240 and this time try the 333 RAM:CPU divider (166:200, 5:6, 0.83:2) whatever it is called in your case). This should yield DDR-400. Also, try reducing your CAS latency to 3.0 instead of 2.5.

I have the same problem as you describe even at stock speeds while in Vista. (Unless there is a constant stream of sound, it may cut off completely until such time that I change X-Fi modes, akin to restarting the driver, at which point it comes back.) This is because I am using the Daniel K drivers, and there are a bit flawwed, so again, a driver reinstall might not be a bad idea.
     
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Blitz, I didn't even notice his memory was overclocked either (235Mhz)

My apologizes BigpoppaFrary
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Tator, perhaps I forgot to ask this in a previous conversation but what was the highest HT clock (reference clock speed) you were able to achieve on the UD5P? Joe has a good point about some of these AM3 boards. I hardly see any crazy high speeds (ie.300Mhz)
Not trying to ninja anyone but, the biggest reason for the lower ref clocks are the higher overall multipliers the newer cpu's have. High ref clocks (300+) are still possible just not really needed.

http://www.overclock.net/7191753-post13.html
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From experience with all the major AM3 790FX boards besides the DFI I can say go for the UD5P. Probably the best board I have ever had the chance to work with in awhile.

Unless you really need the extra PCIe slots.

MSI still doesn't have me convinced they are out of their bargain bin ways, seeing as the Customer Service/RMA department is still not backing up the engineering teams in company excellence.

Also BO, I would get the 945 95watt or the 965 125watt (when it drops) they are both made with a newer NB revision that gets higher clocks.

945 is harder to overclock because it's just the HT clock instead of an unlocked multi at your disposal.
So the 955BE isn't a newer revision? Meaning that it wouldn't OC as well as the 945(95w)/965(125w)?

Also, from what I've read about the GD70, it easily attained a 270 reference clock, which even with a 945 would be at the 4GHz range.
The 945 would be more realistic for me to get as the 965 would put me way over budget which I've increased to $400.

I've also decided to go with the MSI simply because it has more usable slots for me. PCIex1 slots are completely uselss, for me anyway. And I figure, if I slow my gaming down, it has 4 full PCIe slots and I could set up 1 hell of a folding rig.
Also the layout and cooling seems to be beefier on the MSI as opposed to the UD5P.

Unless you can convince me otherwise, I'll probably get the MSI.
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Tator, perhaps I forgot to ask this in a previous conversation but what was the highest HT clock (reference clock speed) you were able to achieve on the UD5P? Joe has a good point about some of these AM3 boards. I hardly see any crazy high speeds (ie.300Mhz)
Because of the Phenom lines high multi's and higher HT link they can't pull off as fast HT Clocks (reference clocks/FSB/base clock)

But I've taken a 945 95watt to 3.98ghz (265x15). That's a pretty intense overclock from a nice cherry picked chip.

But 3.8 is pretty obtainable on most chips. Some Dice runs have gotten 300x15 for 4.5ghz. You could potentially do that on water as well. Again, that was on the UD5P.

Though, most of the time I see people do 260 HT Clock w/ 945. Haven't seen many runs with BE chips on this board doing high HT Clocks as people normally just do the multi with an HT clock of 235.
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Like I said, I personally like high HTT clocks. Given my RAM limitations, I keep meaning to get around to trying even higher reference clocks, but I have not gotten around to doing so yet. (With the 533 divider I would be forced to use, I would need at least a 400 HTT to get back to DDR2-1066, yeah, that might happen. I would be perfectly happy if I was around DDR2-900 with tighter timings. That in itself requires a 338 HTT, which if paired with an 11x multi, would give a tasty 3.7 GHz. All it takes is time to test...)
     
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Tator, is there a reason why the 125w 955 wouldn't be a good choice? Does it not overclock as well as the 95w 945 or the 125w 965?
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Like I said, I personally like high HTT clocks. Given my RAM limitations, I keep meaning to get around to trying even higher reference clocks, but I have not gotten around to doing so yet. (With the 533 divider I would be forced to use, I would need at least a 400 HTT to get back to DDR2-1066, yeah, that might happen. I would be perfectly happy if I was around DDR2-900 with tighter timings. That in itself requires a 338 HTT, which if paired with an 11x multi, would give a tasty 3.7 GHz. All it takes is time to test...)
Gotta give it the combo thread. Black Edition + HT clock tweaking

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Tator, is there a reason why the 125w 955 wouldn't be a good choice? Does it not overclock as well as the 95w 945 or the 125w 965?
The 955BE uses the old IMC/NB that most of the x4's use.

The 945 95watt & 965BE have a new NB allowing for higher NB clocks, and overall better system performance.

As most people don't realize with AMD Phenom CPU's (and my Kuma) you need to have a high NB clock, with tight RAM timings, otherwise you won't see the performance that others see.

On stock AM3 CPU's have a 2000mhz HT (200x10, then dual pumped for 4000Mt/s) and a stock NB of 1800mhz.

Well if you look at the guys that are benching high, it's because they have an NB running in the 2500mhz area, which effects system performance greatly.
In a numbers sense, it can be a point to point score in 3D Mark, ala, 500mhz overclock on your NB can get you up to 500 more points in 3D Mark (depending on the rest of your system and how it's all set up obviously.)

Also, when overclocking Phenom's, keep the HT clock as close to stock as you can.

So for AM2+ CPU's (Phenom I's & Phenom II x4 920/940) you need to keep them at 2000mhz roughly.
While on a AM3 system you need to keep them around 2000mhz.
Again, on 2400HT vs 2000HT there was almost a 200 point decrease in 3D Mark.
Edited by Tator Tot - 9/16/09 at 2:13pm
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