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post #18511 of 28754
Sound is still running and when i find my camera i will. I feel my phone will not take a good picture of this CRT
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Probably not a bad guess.


Here is an interesting failure for you all: I tried some crazy things given my rapidly falling ambient (last night was 46º F, today should be much of the same) and decided to try overclocking my CPU more. Well, when I tried 12x300, it POSTed and went into Windows fine. I tried to open CPU-Z, and it crashed. So I restarted to test again, and it crashed only upon opening CPU-Z. Strange...

Anyway, I tried loosening all my RAM driving strengths to their minimum to get a few more MHz out of my RAM, we will see what happens. I am not hopeful.
     
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As expected, the memory test failed within SECONDS of me starting it.

My RAM simply refuses to yield even one more megahertz. Oh well.
     
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The 955BE uses the old IMC/NB that most of the x4's use.

The 945 95watt & 965BE have a new NB allowing for higher NB clocks, and overall better system performance.

As most people don't realize with AMD Phenom CPU's (and my Kuma) you need to have a high NB clock, with tight RAM timings, otherwise you won't see the performance that others see.

On stock AM3 CPU's have a 2000mhz HT (200x10, then dual pumped for 4000Mt/s) and a stock NB of 1800mhz.

Well if you look at the guys that are benching high, it's because they have an NB running in the 2500mhz area, which effects system performance greatly.
In a numbers sense, it can be a point to point score in 3D Mark, ala, 500mhz overclock on your NB can get you up to 500 more points in 3D Mark (depending on the rest of your system and how it's all set up obviously.)

Also, when overclocking Phenom's, keep the HT clock as close to stock as you can.

So for AM2+ CPU's (Phenom I's & Phenom II x4 920/940) you need to keep them at 2000mhz roughly.
While on a AM3 system you need to keep them around 2000mhz.
Again, on 2400HT vs 2000HT there was almost a 200 point decrease in 3D Mark.
Thanks for the info Tator. Back to the search. I might just get a 720BE/UD4P/2GB OCZ plat. I wonder if I could get it below $300 shipped..
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Thanks for the info Tator. Back to the search. I might just get a 720BE/UD4P/2GB OCZ plat. I wonder if I could get it below $300 shipped..
Well the price difference is definitely there (between 945 & 720) but I'd honestly just go quad right now.

More so, AMD is realeasing a new Quad Design in the Athlon II x4's. Though, it's still off reporting as weather it will be a Phenom II x4 with disabled L3, or a new die design.

But, you can get a 2.8ghz model for $115 or a 2.6ghz model for $100, and they are 90% as fast as a Phenom II x4. While being more energy efficient.
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Anyway, I tried loosening all my RAM driving strengths to their minimum to get a few more MHz out of my RAM, we will see what happens.
Blitz, not to be blunt or anything but why are you overclocking the memory? Worry about your memory later on. To be honest I think your 940BE is capable of more than 3.6Ghz. You have a unlocked multiplier...use it. Get that clock speed up, overclock your nb frequency and call it a day

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Well the price difference is definitely there (between 945 & 720) but I'd honestly just go quad right now.

More so, AMD is realeasing a new Quad Design in the Athlon II x4's. Though, it's still off reporting as weather it will be a Phenom II x4 with disabled L3, or a new die design.

But, you can get a 2.8ghz model for $115 or a 2.6ghz model for $100, and they are 90% as fast as a Phenom II x4. While being more energy efficient.
Well it would be kind of silly for me not to get the 945. At ZZF the 945 95w is $159 when you combo it with some other product, even RAM. So I could get a 945 + 2GB of 7-6-6 OCZ plat for $206.99 shipped.

As for the Athlon II's, since their inception I've read that they were a completely different die. At least that is the hubbub on the internet ATM.
Also, from some other reading I hear that the 2.6 AII quad performs as well as a 720.
But I've also read that certain AII's can unlock the L3 cache. So if that's the case then I would have to assume that in fact they're not a different die at all. Maybe they're from the outer most edge of the wafer and the L3 cache was highly corrupted, or maybe they're exactly the same and just have it deactivated.
And speaking of L3 cache, since most HW intensive things I do is game, I'd prefer to have an L3 cache. From what I have read, a lot of games really utilize it and an increase in FPS and smooth gameplay is always worth it.
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As for the Athlon II's, since their inception I've read that they were a completely different die. At least that is the hubbub on the internet ATM.
Also, from some other reading I hear that the 2.6 AII quad performs as well as a 720.
But I've also read that certain AII's can unlock the L3 cache. So if that's the case then I would have to assume that in fact they're not a different die at all. Maybe they're from the outer most edge of the wafer and the L3 cache was highly corrupted, or maybe they're exactly the same and just have it deactivated.
And speaking of L3 cache, since most HW intensive things I do is game, I'd prefer to have an L3 cache. From what I have read, a lot of games really utilize it and an increase in FPS and smooth gameplay is always worth it.
BlackOmega, don't quote me on this but I think the Athlon II X2's are native dual-cores (the single-core Semprons are the same and can be unlocked). If I remember correctly the Athlon II X4's just have their L3 cache disabled which from what I hear can be unlocked as well. The likely hood of the L3 cache being corrupt/bad is probably rare. You are more likely to see a processor with faulty cores then faulty L3 cache.
A lot of users seem to be benefiting quite a bit from the new L3 cache. It however is slower than the L1 and L2 but it can hold more data. Hopefully Tator can pop in later and correct me or provide more information

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Blitz, not to be blunt or anything but why are you overclocking the memory? Worry about your memory later on. To be honest I think your 940BE is capable of more than 3.6Ghz. You have a unlocked multiplier...use it.
I would agree with you, but I am in an unusual situation. If I keep moving my HTT up, my CPU should be able to handle it. The RAM however, does not like to be ran at that speed, so I would need to drop to a DDR2-533 divider, giving me DDR2-773. (If it would run DDR2-667 divider, I would be fine.) Alternatively, if I left the HTT alone and moved up my multiplier, I am required to add voltage to the processor, or else it is not stable. I cannot however add any voltage or I will breach thermal spec upon testing S&M.

So as I suspected, I am limited to my current clocks until I get better cooling and/or better RAM. I am hoping to use Christmas money for the same if I get any.
     
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Well, when I tried 12x300, it POSTed and went into Windows fine.

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My RAM simply refuses to yield even one more megahertz. Oh well.

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I might just get a 720BE/UD4P/2GB OCZ plat.
Glad to see this, I really don't like MSI!

BTW BO, If you don't absolutely have to upgrade now you may want to hold out for hydra. It's only being worked on for p55 on msi (AFAIK) atm, but that should change quickly as it is cross platform.
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