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Originally Posted by blitz6804 View Post
As to cooling, I think the Noctua NH-C12P just cannot handle the quad core.
Blitz, I have seen quite a few users here overclocking the Phenom II X4 on stock cooling. I've seen up to 3.6Ghz OC's on the stock cooler. I think your Noctua can do it. I'd rather spend 3 hours lapping instead of spending $40-$60 on a new cooler. You said you won't be purchasing a new cooler till Christmas correct? Well that gives you plenty of time to lap both the cooler and IHS

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Originally Posted by shadow_419 View Post
Nope, It's a new die.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...89&postcount=1

There's a picture of the naked die in the post. The size of the Deneb die is 258mm^2.

edit: grammar
Shadow_419, interestingggg. I thought Deneb and Propus were the same Was there a different Deneb revision maybe that I am thinking of? Either way the L3 cache can still be unlocked. Hopefully Tator can pop in and give us some more details on this.
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No, like I said earlier there is no L3 to unlock on native Propus cores. That's why the physical dimensions of the die is smaller and uses less power than the Deneb core. Amd rushed some Athlon II's out the door as crippled Deneb cores. Propus was never meant to have L3 and when people started unlocking the L3, AMD pulled the cpu's. From the looks of things Amd hasn't really had a problem with the L3 cache being defective, and you can see that the x4 810's look like they're being phased out. The 810's were the only Deneb cores being sold with reduced L3 cache until the first Athlon II 620's popped up.

edit: spelling
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You know you've been using 939 for too long when... you attempt to unplug a stubborn SATA cable from an AM2+ motherboard, then pause to think "Oh yeah. These things have clips now."

I'm currently building a computer for a friend's family, and this is the first time I've been this close to anything newer than a 939 system. I'm still running strong on my two 939 rigs, but handling a newer system is tempting me to upgrade.

I do have a job now (Taco Del Mar, haha, I make tacos!) but I imagine most of my spending cash will go toward my case mod project which is currently at a standstill.. Heh, you can see where my priorities lay. Cutting, grinding and aesthetics above newer hardware.

Anywho, just droppin' in to say hi again.
Edited by timxirish - 9/17/09 at 2:32pm
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Ha! I was plugging along with my opty 165 on an Ultra D until this past April. I was fairly happy with my rig but some of the games I play needed more cpu power than I had. I had a little extra cash so I bought the components for a new rig a little at a time. Overall I spent $425 for my mobo, cpu, psu, ram, and hsf.

Edit: Correct. Sorry, I though you were still confused. Easiest way to know whether or not it's Deneb based is the stepping code. (Not the week codes but package and mem controller code)

xxCYx AC = Deneb core based
xxDAx AD = Propus core based
Edited by shadow_419 - 9/17/09 at 2:42pm
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No, like I said earlier there is no L3 to unlock on native Propus cores. That's why the physical dimensions of the die is smaller and uses less power than the Deneb core. Amd rushed some Athlon II's out the door as crippled Deneb cores. Propus was never meant to have L3 and when people started unlocking the L3, AMD pulled the cpu's. From the looks of things Amd hasn't really had a problem with the L3 cache being defective, and you can see that the x4 810's look like they're being phased out. The 810's were the only Deneb cores being sold with reduced L3 cache until the first Athlon II 620's popped up.
Shadow, disregard my last post. I was a tad confused there. Check out this from another site: http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=10923. How did this user unlock the L3 cach on the Propus core? Other sources have stated the Propus never came with L3 cache
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timxirish: My motherboard does not have clips on its SATA ports. DFI LP DK 790FX-M2RS. Strangely, if I remember right, the Abit AT8-32x did however.

thlnk3r: It is actually closer to $90 after shipping, 38mm fan brackets, and AM2+ mounting kit. I had intended to lap my Noctua, but I either (1) never received the kit I ordered or (2) lost it when I did, and never found it or got around to ordering another one. I never intend to lap my Deneb ever. With the manual control I have, I would likely end up snapping a few pins clean off; no thanks.
     
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Shadow, disregard my last post. I was a tad confused there. Check out this from another site: http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=10923. How did this user unlock the L3 cach on the Propus core? Other sources have stated the Propus never came with L3 cache
He posted on xtremesystems as well. I saw this a few weeks ago and it's a Deneb core based Athlon II x4 620.
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timxirish: My motherboard does not have clips on its SATA ports. DFI LP DK 790FX-M2RS. Strangely, if I remember right, the Abit AT8-32x did however.
Oh weird. Maybe it's a DFI thing or something. I've seen an ECS Elitegroup and ASUS mobo in this rebuilding process, and both had clips. Eh, oh well.
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Oh weird. Maybe it's a DFI thing or something. I've seen an ECS Elitegroup and ASUS mobo in this rebuilding process, and both had clips. Eh, oh well.
I think it's the cables themselves that have the clips. On most newer boards the ports all have the retention tab but if the cable doesn't have a clip it wont lock.
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My cables have clips. There is no slot for them to clip into on the DFI, with the end result is that when you plug it in, it slightly deforms the bracket.
     
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