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Tator. O_o Could I have one of these Secret hidden trojens you speak of. I just bought the majic jack and I'm wondering if they install any software you speak of?
I wouldn't recommend putting them within 20 feet of a windows based machine. They might develop their own wifi connection even while on a USB drive. That's how evil they can be.

Though, I don't think Magic Jack installs any malware or spyware. Atleast I haven't heard so yet, and I've known 2 guys to use it. (Grabbed it to talk to homies in Canadia)

And external scans from linux, other windows machines, and some of the best AV software didn't show anything. So I wouldn't worry about Magic Jack.

We used ClaimWIN, Avast, Nod32, but nothing showed up on any scan.
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It does. It is in the terms of service that MagicJack will install a spyware/tracking software. The software is not removable. Anything that is on your hard drive belongs to MagicJack. Any personal information they gather about you they can sell to whoever they want.

(All this is being pulled from research in the thread N2Gaming linked us to earlier.)

{See: an exempli gratia}


See also, their terms of service, which read in relevant part:

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Your registration data and certain other information about you are subject to this Terms of Service. You understand that by using the magicJack device you consent to magicJack's collection and use as set forth in these Terms of Service, including the transfer of this information to and from the United States and/or other countries for storage, processing and use by magicJack, its affiliates and business partners to provide you with information about communications-related service. . . .

You also understand and agree that use of the magicJack device and Software will include advertisements. Advertisements will be served through the magicPage™ Software or the magicJack softphone - the software/softphone attempts to serve local advertisements and classifieds using a completely automated process that enables us to effectively target dynamically changing content. Our computers may analyze the phone numbers you call and your registration information in order to improve the relevance of the ads. We do not provide any personal information to our advertisers or third parties. magicJack has a policy of restricting advertisers that it believes are inappropriate, but it does not guarantee the accuracy or integrity of any advertisers and does not endorse any of the advertisements that may appear in connection with use of the magicJack device. You also understand and agree that use of the magicJack device and Software may include certain communications, such as service announcements, administrative messages and newsletters, and you will not be able to opt out of receiving them. . . .

This Agreement will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of Florida, without giving effect to its conflict of laws provisions or your actual state or country of residence. Any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the magicJack device or Software and items and/or services provided by YMAX will be resolved by binding arbitration. The arbitration shall be administered in accordance with the then current Commercial Arbitration Rules of the American Arbitration Association. Any matter to be settled by arbitration shall be submitted to the American Arbitration Association in Palm Beach, Florida, and you consent to binding arbitration in Palm Beach, Florida. . . .
     
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Oh wow...something tells me they're going to have a lawsuit about that soon.
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That is the thing Tator... you cannot sue them. If you sue them, you are in breach of contract. You MUST submit to binding arbitration in Florida. (This is why you read everything thoroughly before signing it.)
     
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That is the thing Tator... you cannot sue them. If you sue them, you are in breach of contract. You MUST submit to binding arbitration in Florida. (This is why you read everything thoroughly before signing it.)
I'm not sure, Sony had a similar thing awhile back with them installing spyware without having large print stating it, and thus had legal action taken against them.
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That is the thing Tator... you cannot sue them. If you sue them, you are in breach of contract. You MUST submit to binding arbitration in Florida. (This is why you read everything thoroughly before signing it.)

But if you don't reside in Florida, is the contract still binding? I would imagine that it's not, specifically if you brought a suit against them in a different state. Lets say one that specifically forbids this type of personal infringement.
I would imagine that that particular law is only binding in the state of FL.

It's similar to the reason why a lot of credit card companies and health insurance have their headquarters in Delaware because they have the laxest laws pertaining to them.
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Yes, it is. The Supreme Court has upheld "Clickwrap" agreements before. As you said, Delaware has the most corporation-friendly corporate law. No matter what law school you go to in the country, in Corporate Law, you will learn the model code and the Delaware code. You usually would have an argument for conflict of law (the law of the licensor versus the law of the licensee) but for the fact that when you agree to the Terms of Service, you agree to be bound by the State of Florida.
     
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That was back in about the end of summer Aug 2005.

Tator. O_o Could I have one of these Secret hidden trojens you speak of. I just bought the majic jack and I'm wondering if they install any software you speak of?
heh i spent $93.xx on my 939 mobo/cpu, forgot how much on the 1950 / and 4gb ddr1, think 1950 was 150 back in 07 and ram was 120 ea kit back then.

psu was 10 bucks from a friend, and the 8600 was free to me after a 2 day low level data recovery of a friends 160gb hd, that consisted of win x86 and linux x86 partitions on a am2 x2 5600+, think the vid cost him like 110 and psu was 50 before 40 rebate from other friend, so all in all in 2007~2009 spent $546, but $93.xx was just my upgrade of a computer that has been off for 14~16 months anyways, i'm no thinking that 2gb in dual chan should be enough for the 939 instead of going 4gb, cause x2 3800 @ 2.0 is alot better then cel-d 335 @ 2.9
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Blitz, man you definitely know your stuff when it comes to the above subject!
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Wow that Magic Jack is one prying. I'd never agree to that.

However, I never got the notion saying that everything on your HDD belongs to them. I did gather that they use information about you and can do with it as they please. Hell they could even spam you with porn and not be held liable.

As for the laws of this land, corporate or not, the laws should be the same everywhere. It really bothers me that certain states can allow corporate malice (Delaware) and can't legally be held liable for it. That's one of the big problems with this country. It just proves, to me, beyond a reasonable doubt that not all men (states) are equal.

If I knew more about it, I would say that this would be grounds to bring a law suit against the government for preferential treatment.
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