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Vista will tune it self to the installed RAM, so it's build in engine won't use up alot of RAM if you have 2GB installed. It'll leave very little for the OS, and not store much there.
It almost seems like you are penalized for running more RAM compared to less (or, less than a given amount, say > 2GB).

Without eliminating any services or processes at all, and with Aero and the Sidebar on (I guess I haven't gotten over the Vista eye candy yet ), I usually have around 1GB "free," according to my RAM widget. Sometimes I have a bit less (700MB or so), but even when I'm using a lot of RAM I can detect no slowdowns whatsoever.

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As for the games, they are old games. Mostly the reason why they play well. Vista 64bit SP1 & XP 32bit SP3 have roughly the same game performance when using the same levels.

They only different between it all really is that one is a more complex OS than the other.

Also, the reason new game struggle is DX10...a poorly coded, rushed job.
Seems to me that Vista's only real selling point (DX10) over WinXP is also its biggest weakness, then, based on what you're saying. I've yet to own a game that depends on DX10, so I can't vouch for how much better it'd look than DX9.

I think CoD4 is the newest game I have. Is this a DX10 title? I want to do some testing and observation.
    
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CoD4 is Dx9. HAWX, Crysis, and Gears of War are my Dx10 titles, all of which were unplayable in Dx10 with a single HD 4870x2. The Dx10 microstutter was crippling. In Dx9, the minimum frame rate is such that you do not feel the microstutter.
     
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It almost seems like you are penalized for running more RAM compared to less (or, less than a given amount, say > 2GB).
Sort of. Microsoft thought that everyone would be upgrading in Mass so they tried many new things with Vista. Unfortunately, market crashes, a bad starting run, and a variety of other factors caused there plans to get all messed up.

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Without eliminating any services or processes at all, and with Aero and the Sidebar on (I guess I haven't gotten over the Vista eye candy yet ), I usually have around 1GB "free," according to my RAM widget. Sometimes I have a bit less (700MB or so), but even when I'm using a lot of RAM I can detect no slowdowns whatsoever.
With 8GB of RAM in my system (that I used before I got my Platinum LV's) it would idle @ 48-50% RAM usage.

And with 4GB (current setup) it idles at 50% RAM usage almost constantly.

They basically designed the system to use up to 50% of the RAM if, and to decrease that amount based on what other programs need.
The algorithms scalability is actually really well designed. But the max value could be handled better, and because of the system in place, it requires atleast 1GB of RAM, but more like 4GB to be a completely usable system. W7 fixed most of these issues, and improved on the system more making it so as little as 1GB of RAM could be used comfortably.

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Seems to me that Vista's only real selling point (DX10) over WinXP is also its biggest weakness, then, based on what you're saying. I've yet to own a game that depends on DX10, so I can't vouch for how much better it'd look than DX9.
A DX10.1 game is alright, it's basically the true DX10. But with DX11 coming out there is not really a point to DX10. Yeah it has more eye candy, but nothing that noticeable unless you are doing side by side shots, or you have a slow moving environment. (IE, large scale RPG or something to that extent)

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I think CoD4 is the newest game I have. Is this a DX10 title? I want to do some testing and observation.
EDIT: NOpe nevermind it doesn't have DX10. Not really worth it though. Maxed out DX9 looks great and plays well.
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CoD4 is Dx9. HAWX, Crysis, and Gears of War are my Dx10 titles, all of which were unplayable in Dx10 with a single HD 4870x2. The Dx10 microstutter was crippling. In Dx9, the minimum frame rate is such that you do not feel the microstutter.
Hmm... I guess it's brilliant that I don't have any "must-play" DX10 games, then.

To be honest, I do have a bit of a curiosity when it comes to Crysis. I'm curious to see how it is as a game (though I do still remember our conversations here and there in the past about how it's not spectacular as a game per se); as a challenge for your hardware I'm willing to believe the consensus opinion that it is exactly that, a challenge for your hardware (if you don't run an Intel + nVidia combo, that is).
    
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I only got the game for two reasons:
1) I was curious what the hype was about (I still do not know); and
2) It was given to me free of charge.

Things that bother me about Crysis: the framerate (even with my hardware, I only get upwards of 50 FPS or so), the hard-wired controls (you cannot switch the right mouse button from the default toggle to the more-traditional hold), the hardware disparity (why can a single 8800 GT on an C2Q play the game better than my setup), and the false illusion of an open world (either make the world open or linear; do not make it linear and say it is open).
     
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I only got the game for two reasons:
1) I was curious what the hype was about (I still do not know); and
2) It was given to me free of charge.

Things that bother me about Crysis: the framerate (even with my hardware, I only get upwards of 50 FPS or so), the hard-wired controls (you cannot switch the right mouse button from the default toggle to the more-traditional hold), the hardware disparity (why can a single 8800 GT on an C2Q play the game better than my setup), and the false illusion of an open world (either make the world open or linear; do not make it linear and say it is open).
One question (I honestly can't tell the answer given what you've offered): Is it fun to play?

As an aside, I actually don't care so much about the age of the game or the tech in it. Far more important is the fun factor in the actual gameplay. Far Cry may be old, but it's so much fun I've played through it several times (some with cheats enabled, some without). Ditto with a dinosaur classic like KotOR.

rFactor (and other racing games/sims) are admittedly my favorite genre of games, and thankfully they don't seem to require a herculean system to play properly. I'd slit my wrists if a must-have F1 sim came around and I had to sell my kidney to buy parts just to play it properly.
    
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what have you guys found out about 939 and win7 playability? responsive? needs to be tweaked? needs to be on an overclockable board?
Mattliston, I had Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit on my signature rig for a few days. It was pretty snappy. The OS installed pretty quick as well. The only problem I had was finding drivers (64-bit) for my Barracuda AC-1. I plan on testing the OS more when I get my quad-core rig going
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One question (I honestly can't tell the answer given what you've offered): Is it fun to play?
No it is not.

If you want a fun game to play with lots of Eye candy. Get HAWX
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No it is not.

If you want a fun game to play with lots of Eye candy. Get HAWX
Ooh! A PC version of Ace Combat!

The concept is solid already! (I LOVED Ace Combat on the PS2!)
    
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Ooh! A PC version of Ace Combat!

The concept is solid already! (I LOVED Ace Combat on the PS2!)
It's damn fun (Ace Combat fan as well.)

And it has DX10.1, so going for the Eye Candy in that game does not loose you as much performance.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/hawx-p...mance-review/6
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