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Yes sir, that AsRock board is nice. I wish I had the extra cash for one. I wonder if you can control IMC voltage independently like on the AM3's. If so, that would be very nice, I would imagine that it would yield MUCH better overclocking results.
I have this theory as to why it's harder to get good results with 939's/AM2. Unlike the AM3, the IMC (CPU-NB) is not adjustable on the 939's. So this thought ran through my head: when increasing CPU voltage on a 939 you also raise the IMC voltage, well from my AM3 testing I've found that too much IMC (CPU-NB) voltage caused more instability rather than helping stabilize it. In my theory this is exactly why it's so hard to get above 3.0/3.1 stable. If the CPU-NB voltage is indeed separate from the CPU voltage on this new AsRock board, then I would imagine that we should be seeing some really nice overclocks, provided you can get the HTT high enough
I noticed that same thing with the nb voltage with my AM2+/AM3 board both when OC'ing my quad and the week or two that I had the 720BE.
 
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I noticed that same thing with the nb voltage with my AM2+/AM3 board both when OC'ing my quad and the week or two that I had the 720BE.
Man I'm really curious about this board now.

Have you read any reviews where they mention if the CPU-NB is adjustable?
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that was hilarious lol I hate to admit it, but I listened to taht whole thing

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Haha I felt epic was necessary since it's nearly impossible to find 939 era stuff at an affordable/reasonable price.
true that. I have been looking online for quite some time, but I cant even find a decent OC'able board for less then 40 bucks that fits my mATX case

I found plenty of regular ATX size ones , both on this site and abroad, though

either way => its the weekend!!!
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@BlackOmega: Actually, the CPU Voltage on K8 chips was the voltage for everything on the chip. So it would be impossible to control it separately. But your IMC on K8's got voltage as needed. But putting your CPU at 1.6 did not mean that your IMC got 1.6v

A big draw back of K8 is that it's architecture was not designed to go up so high in clock speed. (for standard/stock chips atleast, that's not counting want some of us can pull from them. )
K10 (Phenom I's) were designed to run up to 3.0ghz normally, but that ended up being a flop.

K10.5 pretty much is K10 revision 2, and they fixed everything, and designed the chips to go up to 3.8ghz under normal conditions.
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That's a great song. I remember when it came out.



And a little off topic: Well I got that smokin black friday deal on a HDTV from Target, 32" for $246 . At any rate, I hooked everything up and used that new (to me anyway) method of hooking stuff up using the YPbPr connectors from my DVD player. Well when I watched a movie (300) it only plays at 480i, which is OK I suppose but it makes the picture sort of pixelated. Why isn't it playing at 720? I imagine that, that would make the picture sharper.
I'm a little out of the loop on TV/home audio as I don't mess with it as much anymore.
Any ideas?


I imagine your video source is only putting out 480i and yes that will make a big difference in the image quality. Try standard Def TV signals from Comcast or other cable sources. You won't be impressed w/image quality. When I got my Samsung 40" I hooked it up to standard Def Comcast digital and it was very poor quality to the point that I took the TV back and exchanged it for another one thinking it was the TV. The newer TV's definitely need Higher quality signals to display a crisper image. Any thing lower then 780P will not look good in my opinion. Try to play a Disney movie like Toy Story or Lion King for your kids. You will prolly think the image looks better. The reason the whole movie is all digital so the colors and images are all designed to maximize pixle quality. I don't know a whole lot about it but I do know that once I switched to DirectTV all of my shows that I watch and record are not grainy any more and look way better than the Comcast signal. Oh I also tried DishNetworks and there signal was just a step obove Comcast. That was a couple of years ago now. Dish may have steped up and improved their signal quality by now but I'm not switching back to save a few bucks to find out...

Good Luck w/the new TV.
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That's why I love my dad's Toshiba TV. Its a projection screen, but one of the last ones they made. Even at 480i/p, the screen has auto 1080p up-converting, I guess its kinda like AA for TV's. Even at a 480i signal its super clean .
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@BlackOmega: Actually, the CPU Voltage on K8 chips was the voltage for everything on the chip. So it would be impossible to control it separately. But your IMC on K8's got voltage as needed. But putting your CPU at 1.6 did not mean that your IMC got 1.6v

A big draw back of K8 is that it's architecture was not designed to go up so high in clock speed. (for standard/stock chips atleast, that's not counting want some of us can pull from them. )
K10 (Phenom I's) were designed to run up to 3.0ghz normally, but that ended up being a flop.

K10.5 pretty much is K10 revision 2, and they fixed everything, and designed the chips to go up to 3.8ghz under normal conditions.
O well, then that kind of sucks. I'm still curious to see what kind of BIOS options there are on this board. Wonder how well it clocks.

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I imagine your video source is only putting out 480i and yes that will make a big difference in the image quality. Try standard Def TV signals from Comcast or other cable sources. You won't be impressed w/image quality. When I got my Samsung 40" I hooked it up to standard Def Comcast digital and it was very poor quality to the point that I took the TV back and exchanged it for another one thinking it was the TV. The newer TV's definitely need Higher quality signals to display a crisper image. Any thing lower then 780P will not look good in my opinion. Try to play a Disney movie like Toy Story or Lion King for your kids. You will prolly think the image looks better. The reason the whole movie is all digital so the colors and images are all designed to maximize pixle quality. I don't know a whole lot about it but I do know that once I switched to DirectTV all of my shows that I watch and record are not grainy any more and look way better than the Comcast signal. Oh I also tried DishNetworks and there signal was just a step obove Comcast. That was a couple of years ago now. Dish may have steped up and improved their signal quality by now but I'm not switching back to save a few bucks to find out...

Good Luck w/the new TV.
Thanks N2, it very well could be that the DVD player only outputs a 480i signal.
I was talking to my brother earlier and he says that no matter what you may perceive with image quality most TV providers only broadcast a 720p/i signal, so unless you watch a blue ray movie you're not really going to notice a difference.
And we just set up an appointment with DirectTV for them to come out and hook up the HD box, does your DirectTV Box have an HDMI port on it?

And this TV is only temporary until we get a 42" (possibly 50" depending), then it'll become my monitor

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That's why I love my dad's Toshiba TV. Its a projection screen, but one of the last ones they made. Even at 480i/p, the screen has auto 1080p up-converting, I guess its kinda like AA for TV's. Even at a 480i signal its super clean .
Yea projectors are really nice, a buddy of mine used to sell and install projection units, the really nice thing about them is that you can use a wall as the screen. The one he had set up at his house the wall he projected it on was 9' x 12', and the image quality was superb. When we finally buy a house I'll probably wind up getting something like that.
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@BlackOmega: Actually, the CPU Voltage on K8 chips was the voltage for everything on the chip. So it would be impossible to control it separately. But your IMC on K8's got voltage as needed. But putting your CPU at 1.6 did not mean that your IMC got 1.6v

A big draw back of K8 is that it's architecture was not designed to go up so high in clock speed. (for standard/stock chips atleast, that's not counting want some of us can pull from them. )
K10 (Phenom I's) were designed to run up to 3.0ghz normally, but that ended up being a flop.

K10.5 pretty much is K10 revision 2, and they fixed everything, and designed the chips to go up to 3.8ghz under normal conditions.
Tator, excellent info

BlackOmega, also at the time the NB Frequency was not a separate component like it is now.

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Well when I watched a movie (300) it only plays at 480i, which is OK I suppose but it makes the picture sort of pixelated. Why isn't it playing at 720? I imagine that, that would make the picture sharper.
I'm a little out of the loop on TV/home audio as I don't mess with it as much anymore.
BlackOmega, 720 is only for HD DVD/Blu-ray movies. Most wide screen DVD's (enhanced definition) are all 480p (720x480). Full screen (standard 4:3) are usually 480i (interlaced). If you're using component cables and a progressive player then you should be seeing 480p. Some of the upconverting boxes will make the movie look clearer and smoother but it's not really "Blue-ray" quality. For a upconverting box you'll need a HDMI/DVI cable. Watch your DVD movie in wide screen mode. It should look better versus full screen.

Good luck
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O well, then that kind of sucks. I'm still curious to see what kind of BIOS options there are on this board. Wonder how well it clocks.



Thanks N2, it very well could be that the DVD player only outputs a 480i signal.
I was talking to my brother earlier and he says that no matter what you may perceive with image quality most TV providers only broadcast a 720p/i signal, so unless you watch a blue ray movie you're not really going to notice a difference.
And we just set up an appointment with DirectTV for them to come out and hook up the HD box, does your DirectTV Box have an HDMI port on it?

And this TV is only temporary until we get a 42" (possibly 50" depending), then it'll become my monitor



Yea projectors are really nice, a buddy of mine used to sell and install projection units, the really nice thing about them is that you can use a wall as the screen. The one he had set up at his house the wall he projected it on was 9' x 12', and the image quality was superb. When we finally buy a house I'll probably wind up getting something like that.
I think I must've made a mistake on my post. Its a projection screen, but its not a "projector". Its a regular old big screen TV, it has a flat screen, but its not an LCD or plasma. And it has by far the best picture I've ever seen too.
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I think I must've made a mistake on my post. Its a projection screen, but its not a "projector". Its a regular old big screen TV, it has a flat screen, but its not an LCD or plasma. And it has by far the best picture I've ever seen too.
Pioneerisloud, isn't it being displayed on the screen via projector though? Are you referring to a "rear projection tv"?
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