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post #20541 of 28697
his stock cooler will work fine for up to 2.5ghz

I think he needs a better motherboard, or something is simply not working correctly
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Originally Posted by h2oxtreme View Post
Hi! I read all the topics with Athlon 64 3200+ Venice oveclocking, but I didn't succed in overclocking mine. I have a Asus A8N5X mainboard, and 2GB of DDR Geil Value.
I've modified the folowing value in BIOS:
-HT 3x (I mention that my default value is 2x, someone can explain me more about the Hyper Transport?)
-CPU multiplier 9x
-Command Rate 1T (default 2T)
-CPU V from auto to 1.44, to 1.5 but worthless
-CPU freq 220 (it starts but the freq is same, 2000), then 250 but didn't start the windows-it boots but doesn't load the windows, even with 1.5 VCore voltage
-memclock 333MHz.
Here is a screenshot of my proc values
I read about modifing PCI bus freq, mine is set to 100MHz, is it worth to modify it to 67 MHz, as I read?
Basically I want to OC at leat at 2,4 GHz.
I have a stock cooler, but if I see that the OC is working I'll buy a better cooler. If I raise the FSB higher than 200, in CPU-z it's shows me no more than 200Mhz. And if Iraise higher than 220, the OS don't load. Regarding the HT, default is auto, wich means 5x.

Can you give me some ideas, it's the bus freq locked to maximum 200MHz?
Thank you!
Hey h2o

Anyway, looking at your CPUz your HT Link is way too low, as others have pointed out.

As for HTT, well HTT stands forHyper Transport Technology. HTT is basically the same thing as what FSB (frontside bus) is on an intel machine. It is the reference clock for your whole system. Why it's 200, I have no idea, maybe AMD liked it that way.

Now you can go about adjusting your processors frequency in 2 ways, either raising the HTT reference clock or changing the CPU multiplier. The equation for that is simple, HTT clock x CPU multiplier = processor speed.
HT Link is also based off of the HTT reference clock, so you'll need to adjust the HTLink multiplier accordingly to keep it's overall speed between 750-1000MHz. Overclocking the HT Link provides no noticeable improvements.

As for RAM there are usually dividers. I believe Asus only gives you options like 100, 133, 166, 200. The way this works is by ratio. It assumes that the HTT reference clock is 200. So at stock speeds you'd set it to 200, this is a 1:1 ratio. So for every MHz you add to the HTT clock, the ram frequency is going to go up that much as well. If I did my calculations correctly 166 [0.83:1] Ratio, 133 [0.665:1] ratio, and of course 100 is [0.5:1].

So the way to figure this out you need this formula (RAM divider x HTT reference clock= SD RAM speed) then you multiply your result by 2, because the RAM is dual data rate, and then you'll have your RAM frequency.

So here's an example: HTT clock: 225, RAM divider 166 (0.83)

225 x 0.83= 186.75. 186.75 x 2 = DDR 373.

Try to keep your RAM at or below 200 if you're only running 2 sticks. If you're running 4, for now try to keep them below 166.

Good Luck
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Need more info on your options in your bios...but...

The following is based on a hypothetical cpu that runs a 2.0 ghz stock speed with ram that runs at 333mhz.

You Hyper Transport (HT) is your CPU frequency (200) multiplied by your HT multiplier (default on auto being 5) so therefore, 200x5 = 1000 mhz HT.

Your memory speed is based off of your cpu frequency so if you run at 200 mhz cpu frequency, then your ram will run at 200 mhz (400 effective).

What you want to happen is for your HT to be in between 900 and 1050. So as you may guess, there are multiple ways to get your desired clock speed. ALSO, you need to change your ram divider since you're using value ram. Set the divider to 133. Sorry, but I don't know how exactly to explain how a ram divider works, but I do know for every 1mhz you increase your cpu frequency, the ram speed also goes up 1mhz. You don't want to run value ram higher than it's rated clock speed. Well..you can, but it isn't recommended. The following examples are ways to get to 2.4 ghz on a 2 ghz cpu which is set to 200x10 with a 5x HT multiplier at stock. The ram speeds are in parentheses with the actual speeds with the given OC. Double the ending number, and that would be your effective rate

240x10 with 4x HT multiplier (ram: 166+40=206, 133+40=173, 100+40=140
300x8 with 3x HT multiplier (ram: 166+100=266, 133+100=233, 100+100=200)
220x11 with 4x HT multiplier (ram: 166+20=188, 133+20=153, 100+20=120)

There are other ways to lower your ram speed, but I'm not all too adept in those areas. I hope what I typed made sense, you're the first person I've helped in this kind of stuff.

Oh, and one last thing. Disable cool n quiet, and cpu center spread, and you should be fine leaving your pci frequency at 100 mhz.
In my BIOS (Phoenix AWARD...) the mem clock apear multiplied by two I think, because the minimum value is 200, after that 266.. I've tried 266 MHz with HT multiplier set to 4x, CPU freq 210, and CPU multiplier 10x but in windows showed me 201.5 MHz - BUS speed(CPU freq). Maybe I should upgrade my BIOS version. I didn't succed in getting the BUS speed over 200, although I've tried many combinations. What do you think, I should upgrade my BIOS to a newer version?
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For the record BlackOmega, that RAM speed is only true if he is running a 10x multiplier. If he cuts it to 9x, he would be running DDR-368.

h2oxtreme: if you set the bus speed to 210, and it shows in Windows as 201.5, your BIOS is not saving the setting for some reason.
     
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Hey h2o

Anyway, looking at your CPUz your HT Link is way too low, as others have pointed out.

As for HTT, well HTT stands forHyper Transport Technology. HTT is basically the same thing as what FSB (frontside bus) is on an intel machine. It is the reference clock for your whole system. Why it's 200, I have no idea, maybe AMD liked it that way.

Now you can go about adjusting your processors frequency in 2 ways, either raising the HTT reference clock or changing the CPU multiplier. The equation for that is simple, HTT clock x CPU multiplier = processor speed.
HT Link is also based off of the HTT reference clock, so you'll need to adjust the HTLink multiplier accordingly to keep it's overall speed between 750-1000MHz. Overclocking the HT Link provides no noticeable improvements.

As for RAM there are usually dividers. I believe Asus only gives you options like 100, 133, 166, 200. The way this works is by ratio. It assumes that the HTT reference clock is 200. So at stock speeds you'd set it to 200, this is a 1:1 ratio. So for every MHz you add to the HTT clock, the ram frequency is going to go up that much as well. If I did my calculations correctly 166 [0.83:1] Ratio, 133 [0.665:1] ratio, and of course 100 is [0.5:1].

So the way to figure this out you need this formula (RAM divider x HTT reference clock= SD RAM speed) then you multiply your result by 2, because the RAM is dual data rate, and then you'll have your RAM frequency.

So here's an example: HTT clock: 225, RAM divider 166 (0.83)

225 x 0.83= 186.75. 186.75 x 2 = DDR 373.

Try to keep your RAM at or below 200 if you're only running 2 sticks. If you're running 4, for now try to keep them below 166.

Good Luck
I don't see how to modiy my HTT freq, only the multiplier, wich was default set to 5x, resulting 1000MHz HT Link. I can only modify CPU freq. It's the same with HTT freq? I'll enter back tomorrow on this forum to see he answer. I have to go now. Thanks!
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h2oxtreme: if you set the bus speed to 210, and it shows in Windows as 201.5, your BIOS is not saving the setting for some reason.
This means I should upgrade my BIOS, right?
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How old is the BIOS battery? It would also be a really cool idea to add your system to your signature so we do not need to keep scrolling back to remember what hardware you have.
     
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I don't see how to modiy my HTT freq, only the multiplier, wich was default set to 5x, resulting 1000MHz HT Link. I can only modify CPU freq. It's the same with HTT freq? I'll enter back tomorrow on this forum to see he answer. I have to go now. Thanks!
You're thinking of HT Link.

On my old Asus board the HTLink was in a different menu than the CPU and RAM. It's not in "Jumper Free Configuration", it's down lower I can't exactly remember what it was called, something like "chipset".
The feature you're looking for is going to be called "K8 to NB". That's the multiplier you want to adjust for HT link.

And I believe what Asus calls "CPU frequency" is the HTT reference clock.
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Hi! I read all the topics with Athlon 64 3200+ Venice oveclocking, but I didn't succed in overclocking mine. I have a Asus A8N5X mainboard, and 2GB of DDR Geil Value.
I've modified the folowing value in BIOS:
-HT 3x (I mention that my default value is 2x, someone can explain me more about the Hyper Transport?)
-CPU multiplier 9x
-Command Rate 1T (default 2T)
-CPU V from auto to 1.44, to 1.5 but worthless
-CPU freq 220 (it starts but the freq is same, 2000), then 250 but didn't start the windows-it boots but doesn't load the windows, even with 1.5 VCore voltage
-memclock 333MHz.
Here is a screenshot of my proc values
I read about modifing PCI bus freq, mine is set to 100MHz, is it worth to modify it to 67 MHz, as I read?
Basically I want to OC at leat at 2,4 GHz.
I have a stock cooler, but if I see that the OC is working I'll buy a better cooler. If I raise the FSB higher than 200, in CPU-z it's shows me no more than 200Mhz. And if Iraise higher than 220, the OS don't load. Regarding the HT, default is auto, wich means 5x.

Can you give me some ideas, it's the bus freq locked to maximum 200MHz?
Thank you!

Ok, first, you may want to google that motherboard. A lot of people have had the same issue when overclocking and using CPU-z.

I would suggest trying sandra, everest, or benchmarks to verify overclock settings. If still nothing, I'd try a bios update.

Your HT needs to stay under 1000 to remain stable. FSBx5 = 1,000. so if you increase the fsb, then lower the HT multi to 4x and you will be fine.

Your default memory timings should also be 1t, 2t is only if you have 4 memory sticks. 2 memory sticks should always be set to 1t.

The CPU-V is also high for air cooling. I wouldn't suggest going above 1.45 or 1.4 on your current system for such minor overclocks. Obviously 250fsb is a huge overclock and you will probably need to adjust memory timings and other settings to get that to boot.


Is your ram pc3200(400mhz)? It's running at 333mhz, which is why I ask. Also, how many sticks do you have? Can you try adjusting your fsb and then using another program to detects the changes?
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Yes, at the first look is irony, but it's refering to water for extreme sport aka I like snowboarding.

I've tried modifing the multiplier to 210, the comp starts but CPU-Z indicates me the same bus speed, 200MHz. I'll try to set Mem freq to 133, as kwint explained me.
Oh how cool. I use to have a pretty tricked out Kawi stand up 550 but I sold it last summer to help pay off some of my debt.

That is weird that your FSB is reverting back to stock settings. Is that the only setting that does that or do all your settings do that like your cpu multi, ram divider, cpu/ram voltages etc etc?
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